Then why did his skin colour change between Space Seed & WOK? Simple lack of sun exposure would not account for it, eh?
Well, Khan is genetically altered. Therefore, who knows what genes were spliced into his DNA!!!
HEY! I just realized! If Khan was from India...
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Well, Khan is genetically altered. Therefore, who knows what genes were spliced into his DNA!!!
Aren't skin lightening products and the health problems they cause supposed to be a big problem among Asians? Particularly a younger generation who were born in Britain and other countries, their parents and grandparents settled in. India and Pakistani culture being influenced by western ideas of beauty?
Anyhow back on topic, the point of Augments (or genetically engineered supermen, to give them their original name) was that they were superior. Above creed and colour, being some scientist's idea of our next stage of evolution. Maybe even their creator's attempt subvert the concept of multi-culturalism. The Augments rejecting their own nationality, only to end up fighting among themselves anyway.
Anyhow back on topic, the point of Augments (or genetically engineered supermen, to give them their original name) was that they were superior. Above creed and colour, being some scientist's idea of our next stage of evolution. Maybe even their creator's attempt subvert the concept of multi-culturalism. The Augments rejecting their own nationality, only to end up fighting among themselves anyway.
Nardpuncher
Rear Admiral
I think somebody brought up once that if Spock was using the Indian calendar ( if there is one...somebody please correct me) that their calendar won't have the year 1992 until 2050 or something.
That was just something I heard somewhere here on the boards a few years ago that was a way to reconcile us not actually having a Eugenics War 17 years ago.
That was just something I heard somewhere here on the boards a few years ago that was a way to reconcile us not actually having a Eugenics War 17 years ago.
I perfer the Greg Cox explaination that the Eugenics Wars were fought in secret.
Why not? He could be like Mark Lenard starting off as a Romulan Commander and then going on to be Spock's father.
I agree with all of you that Tahir would be an awesome Khan. I am just not sure TPTB would go for it.
If CBS wanted to do a series, they would do well to have the adventures of the USS Kelvin with Robau, George Kirk and crew... at least until their untimely demise.
And like Christopher said, Noonien is as far as anyone can tell no kind of name.
What Muslim first name would that be?
I wasn't even aware he had any names other than "Khan", "Noonien" and "Singh", neither of which is normally a Muslim first name.
I thought Rodenberry named both him and Data's father "Noonien" as a tribute (and an attempt) to track down an old friend he'd lost touch with.
Not only that, but he was the only person in the history of television to truly recognize and appreciate soft Corinthian Leather!
Letting Tahir play Khan at some point = Good Idea
Using Khan for the Next Movie = Bad Idea
Then why did his skin colour change between Space Seed & WOK? Simple lack of sun exposure would not account for it, eh?
I just realized recently that technically Kang and Kor seemed to have changed skin colours between "Star Trek" and "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine". Obviously a lot more changed in their appearances due to advances in Klingon make-up, but that change can be explained storyline-wise based on the idea that Klingons simply age differently than humans (or apparently, based on some plot on Enterprise, because of a virus/engineering).
Their skin colour was never explained, though, since the real word explanation is simply that they wore blackface in the original "Star Trek". Can anyone think of a possible fictional reason?
Not to derail the thread, but I assume Kang and Kor can be explained by the Klingon empire having access to the superior genetic medicine of the federation after the alliance, and were able to cure the last of the those who were still effected by the augment DNA/genetic virus debacle?
Dusty Ayres
Commodore
Khan was born in 1965, and religion would have been very much a part of his life as a Sikh. From what I've gathered, his name's all right.
See my response above.
As for his accent, he was raised by a Mariachi band in Karachi.
Wow, really funny.
If that's true, then his name is unusual.
Khan is a last/family name and is a Muslim one. Those of you familiar with Bollywood will remember: Shah Rukh Khan, Aamir Khan, and those who know cricket will remember: Zaheer Khan.
Singh is also a last or family name and is a Sikh one. Like Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.
So the name Khan Noonien Singh is weird, especially for someone from the Indian subcontinent.
And like Christopher said, Noonien is as far as anyone can tell no kind of name.What Muslim first name would that be?
I wasn't even aware he had any names other than "Khan", "Noonien" and "Singh", neither of which is normally a Muslim first name.
I thought Rodenberry named both him and Data's father "Noonien" as a tribute (and an attempt) to track down an old friend he'd lost touch with.
This is the case afaik, but determined googling brings up no Nooniens but the fictional Singh and Soong.
Nunen is a Dutch name, though. A very convoluted theory would have a Dutchman emigrating to Russia with Peter the Great, where slightly-off transliteration might produce нюнен, which would be properly pronounced Niu-nyen or Noonien.
But it's weird only if Khan had parents in the conventional sense, which there is some indication that he didn't. He appears more likely to have been developed by a cosmopolitan team of scientists, who might have been headlined by famous geneticists Farouk Khan of Pakistan, Viktor Noonien of Russia, and Arjan Singh of India.rahullak said:
Wow! I love the idea. Best fanwank ever!
This is the case afaik, but determined googling brings up no Nooniens but the fictional Singh and Soong.
Nunen is a Dutch name, though. A very convoluted theory would have a Dutchman emigrating to Russia with Peter the Great, where slightly-off transliteration might produce нюнен, which would be properly pronounced Niu-nyen or Noonien.
But it's weird only if Khan had parents in the conventional sense, which there is some indication that he didn't. He appears more likely to have been developed by a cosmopolitan team of scientists, who might have been headlined by famous geneticists Farouk Khan of Pakistan, Viktor Noonien of Russia, and Arjan Singh of India.rahullak said:
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This jives poorly with First Contact, which unambiguously places the first warp flight in 2063 CE/Saka 1985.
Personally, I'm for simply retconning the Eugenics Wars to be the same thing as World War III, taking place in roughly 2060.
(MA has WW3 lasting some twenty-seven years, 2026-2053--I have no idea where they get this from, and anyway, it makes no sense at all. Modern total war is unlikely to be undertaken over a period of three decades. Based on thought experiments running a hypothetical war between NATO and the Warsaw Pact, inventories of conventional weapons would be exhausted in a matter of months, and once the war became nuclear, inventories of strategic weapons would be exhausted and the economic bases of the belligerents would be shattered within weeks or days. I mean, seriously, who's fighting WW3, Gustavus Adolphus?)
The Saka calendar used as the official civil calendar of India began the new year on 22 March 2009 (by their reckoning, 1 Chaitra 1931). It's offset from the CE calendar by 78 years, so if Spock were using the Indian calendar, that means the Eugenics War would begin at the earliest in 2068 (Saka 1990), and conclude with Khan's downfall in 2074.
This jives poorly with First Contact, which unambiguously places the first warp flight in 2063 CE/Saka 1985.
Personally, I'm for simply retconning the Eugenics Wars to be the same thing as World War III, taking place in roughly 2060.
(MA has WW3 lasting some twenty-seven years, 2026-2053--I have no idea where they get this from, and anyway, it makes no sense at all. Modern total war is unlikely to be undertaken over a period of three decades. Based on thought experiments running a hypothetical war between NATO and the Warsaw Pact, inventories of conventional weapons would be exhausted in a matter of months, and once the war became nuclear, inventories of strategic weapons would be exhausted and the economic bases of the belligerents would be shattered within weeks or days. I mean, seriously, who's fighting WW3, Gustavus Adolphus?)
