Heroes: "The Wall" - 2/1/10 - Grading & Discussion
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haha anyone want to play a quick caption game with that picture to start this thread off?
I'll start.
Peter: Uhhhh, Aye yo Sylar....how do you suppose we get up there, bro?
Sylar: These mushrooms are starting to trip me out man! I can feel the wall push back!
Peter: Uhhh, aye yo Sylar...
Sylar: Yes Peter?
Peter: Uhhh, I forgot bro.
I'll start.
Peter: Uhhhh, Aye yo Sylar....how do you suppose we get up there, bro?
Sylar: These mushrooms are starting to trip me out man! I can feel the wall push back!
Peter: Uhhh, aye yo Sylar...
Sylar: Yes Peter?
Peter: Uhhh, I forgot bro.
That caption is a Peter/Sylar slasher's dream come true--Peter fisting Sylar up against a wall.
Sylar: Ok, looks like I need my powers back again, we can deal with me becoming human in the season finale?
Peter: Oh brother, we're canceled, for sure...
I think Sylar is going to die this season and for good... well as for good as it can be for Heroes. For a Volume called Redemption, there hasn't really been a lot of redemption. Nathan kind of died a Hero, but he kind of already died trying to be a Hero at the end of Season 3. Sylar is ultimately the character that needs Redemption and it looks like that's what they're setting up. I can handle him dying a Hero and I couldn't deal with him living as a hero.
I liked it. Set up a solid ending that I doubt they'll pull off.
Hmm... this actually wasn't bad. I'm not totally buying Samuel's motivations, but at least we have a plot and some progression of said plot. That was my main problem with the season so far. Nothing happened on a pretty regular basis and 75% of the show had nothing to do with the final plot that wasn't really revealed until now. They could have easily made this plot line become a half season volume like Generations, Villains, and Fugitives and then every episode would be jam packed.
Now, I wouldn't want to keep the show in the status quo, but some of the elements that really worked from earlier seasons was how the plot was driven. You'd find out a little bit each episode until you saw everything at the end and it all made sense. The audience knew about the bomb, the Shanti Virus, Pinehurst, and Building 26 with in the first few episodes, but not all the puzzle pieces were in place. They used things like Time Travel and Issac's paintings to fill in those gaps until the whole picture was there. Up until like last episode, I had not clue what our Heroes had to stop. That's not good story telling.
Also, where are our main characters? If I'm not mistaken the main characters for this season are Hiro, Ando, Peter, Nathan, Angela, Noah, Tracy, Claire, Matt, Mohinder, Samuel, and Sylar. This episode, the penultimate episode, only featured five of them. That's less than half and the way things are going, I doubt we'll see the rest of them before the end of the season. Now, I think the fat should be trimmed a bit. I know Nathan is gone, so that's one. The plot lines for Mohinder, Tracy, Angela and Sylar have all dried up. Hell, the way this season is going, I'd argue that all of their plots have dried up, but the show wouldn't survive without some of the mains.
Sylar needs to die. From Season 1-3 to now, he's like a different character and I'm not sure that's entirely a good thing. When he came to be, he was scary. When he showed up, you feared for the other characters lives. He's been meandering for a while now and now that he's "good" again I feel like they just have to kill him. I'm perfectly okay with him having redemption, but not living as a Hero, because I know he'd just be back to being a villain again and the writers would try to chalk it up to be the coolest thing since the show started...
My idea for the last episode is for the Heroes to have like a "one step up, two steps back" kind of thing. Part of New York City is lost, but Sylar prevents the whole city from being lost and at the same time is killed. But most importantly, the general public learns about people with abilities. Not just the government or scientists like Suresh, but everyone. The next season can take place like a year after this one and deal with the ramifications of the public knowing, perhaps having them go underground or something to that effect. If they are intent on keeping Claire, throw her with Peter. Let's face it the best Claire scenes from ever season are when she's with Peter. Or maybe keep them all together for once (or mostly together. Where would the fun be if they were all in one place?) Ultimately... DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT!
Now, I wouldn't want to keep the show in the status quo, but some of the elements that really worked from earlier seasons was how the plot was driven. You'd find out a little bit each episode until you saw everything at the end and it all made sense. The audience knew about the bomb, the Shanti Virus, Pinehurst, and Building 26 with in the first few episodes, but not all the puzzle pieces were in place. They used things like Time Travel and Issac's paintings to fill in those gaps until the whole picture was there. Up until like last episode, I had not clue what our Heroes had to stop. That's not good story telling.
Also, where are our main characters? If I'm not mistaken the main characters for this season are Hiro, Ando, Peter, Nathan, Angela, Noah, Tracy, Claire, Matt, Mohinder, Samuel, and Sylar. This episode, the penultimate episode, only featured five of them. That's less than half and the way things are going, I doubt we'll see the rest of them before the end of the season. Now, I think the fat should be trimmed a bit. I know Nathan is gone, so that's one. The plot lines for Mohinder, Tracy, Angela and Sylar have all dried up. Hell, the way this season is going, I'd argue that all of their plots have dried up, but the show wouldn't survive without some of the mains.
Sylar needs to die. From Season 1-3 to now, he's like a different character and I'm not sure that's entirely a good thing. When he came to be, he was scary. When he showed up, you feared for the other characters lives. He's been meandering for a while now and now that he's "good" again I feel like they just have to kill him. I'm perfectly okay with him having redemption, but not living as a Hero, because I know he'd just be back to being a villain again and the writers would try to chalk it up to be the coolest thing since the show started...
My idea for the last episode is for the Heroes to have like a "one step up, two steps back" kind of thing. Part of New York City is lost, but Sylar prevents the whole city from being lost and at the same time is killed. But most importantly, the general public learns about people with abilities. Not just the government or scientists like Suresh, but everyone. The next season can take place like a year after this one and deal with the ramifications of the public knowing, perhaps having them go underground or something to that effect. If they are intent on keeping Claire, throw her with Peter. Let's face it the best Claire scenes from ever season are when she's with Peter. Or maybe keep them all together for once (or mostly together. Where would the fun be if they were all in one place?) Ultimately... DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT!
That caption is a Peter/Sylar slasher's dream come true--Peter fisting Sylar up against a wall.
Heeey! I've been the lone Pylar around here from the start (believe me, it's a minority taste
) but even I didn't see that.
Sylar doesnt deserve to die a hero, he needs to go out like a humiliated punk.
But hey no lets have Peter forgive him and Im sure Noah & Claire & all the other heroes will realize that Sylar's on our side now & that nasty Samuel- he's the reeeal bad guy...and theyll all hold hands & live happily ever after all thanks to their once mortal enemy. But its ok cuz he was really sowwy for all the bad things he did. Im sure Pete's dead bro & all the other dead vicitms wont mind... b/c theyre dead anyway right?
silly silly show...
But hey no lets have Peter forgive him and Im sure Noah & Claire & all the other heroes will realize that Sylar's on our side now & that nasty Samuel- he's the reeeal bad guy...and theyll all hold hands & live happily ever after all thanks to their once mortal enemy. But its ok cuz he was really sowwy for all the bad things he did. Im sure Pete's dead bro & all the other dead vicitms wont mind... b/c theyre dead anyway right?
silly silly show...
They need to decide the nature of Sylar's powers. If it is actually a hunger that he needs to satisfy, I would be able to swallow redemption for him. But if it is a normal "poor men want to be rich, rich men want to be king and kings aren't satisfied until they rule everything" deal, I wouldn't be able to swallow it. But this is Heroes, where powers aren't even close to being defined. Does Hiro age when he freezes time (Like when it probably took him a good month to make the paper cranes for Charlie and when he got Matt Jr. and Ando to the Bus Station (?) in season 3). Or how did Peter's power pick up Emma's when he was just walking by her. Or how Matt could randomly paint the future in Season 3? Or what is the nature of Ando's power? He enhances people abilities (which is a brilliant power, thematically for Ando's character. That was well done), but when the story requires it, he can shoot people with it... for a show about people with super powers, the super powers are vastly undefined.
So have they ditched this whole Charlie thing? She stuck somewhere in time too? What does Ian? (multiple man thinks he can even do against Sylar and Peter?) And ugh where the hell did Matt go? What? did he just finish laying the bricks on the wall, while Peter was passed out? Season after season they always try to cram a bunch of shit at the end, when especially this whole season, absolutely zilch happened! Nothing of any major consequence or threat, so it seems. This end of the world scenario where they have to prevent Emma from playing her music only to attract more specials thus making Samuel stronger all seems kind of hokey too
Remember the good ole days when the build up to the mystery of who the Nightmare Man (Maury Parkman) was or who the bad man that Molly saw, shock I think was Adam Monroe was seemed more menacing? At what point would you guys say this show jumped the shark?
Man, I'm so happy a real show (Lost) comes back tomorrow night.
This episode put me in a real bad mood
Remember the good ole days when the build up to the mystery of who the Nightmare Man (Maury Parkman) was or who the bad man that Molly saw, shock I think was Adam Monroe was seemed more menacing? At what point would you guys say this show jumped the shark?
Man, I'm so happy a real show (Lost) comes back tomorrow night.
This episode put me in a real bad mood
Well that was a whole lot of nothing. They sure like to contort and manipulate Peter, Sylar and Claire to whatever the plot requires of them. At least Claire got her brain back at the end though.
Sylar could wipe the floor with Multiple Man in a second, but I guess since he wants to be good now, he won't want to kill him and we'll get a dragged out battle that wastes a lot of time.
And while Samuel can be the most superpowered of them all and do a lot of bad things in the name of eeeeevil, one bullet will take care of him. Which means that's not how anyone will think to take him out.
Sylar could wipe the floor with Multiple Man in a second, but I guess since he wants to be good now, he won't want to kill him and we'll get a dragged out battle that wastes a lot of time.
And while Samuel can be the most superpowered of them all and do a lot of bad things in the name of eeeeevil, one bullet will take care of him. Which means that's not how anyone will think to take him out.
You know, I'm not opposed to the idea of Peter and Sylar being trapped together in a shared dream state and, over what seems to them to be a very long time, working through some of their issues... but I didn't completely buy it. Maybe it was because this sub-plot wasn't given the time it required, maybe it was the writing, maybe it was Milo's acting, but whatever the reason, I wasn't quite convinced. For one thing, there should have been way more hatred and hostility on Peter's part, at least at the beginning, even if it was more under the surface than overly obvious, but I didn't feel it. And now Sylar's a changed man, while Peter is willing to let go of his anger? Yeesh, don't simply tell us this is so, show us why this is so, and make us believe it.
On the plus side, I did like the flashbacks to Noah's early days as an amateur Specials-hunter turned Company man.
On the plus side, I did like the flashbacks to Noah's early days as an amateur Specials-hunter turned Company man.
Or they could have poisoned his precious blueberry pancakes, the whole freakin time.
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