Heroes: "Acceptance" 10/5 - Grading & Discussion
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That's why I watch House instead. 
Sounds like I didn't miss much.
Sounds like I didn't miss much.
Wow, I haven't seen this yet, and now I'm wondering if I should even bother...
Except ENT actually continued to improve over its run and even though the ENT characters weren't great some of the storylines in seasons three and four were at least interesting and sometimes even compelling unlike the last few seasons of Heroes--where both the characters and plotting stinks.
Not exactly thrilling television, but I didn't hate it. I actually like the little character moments more than most, I guess; the scene with Claire trying to motivate her dad was kind of sweet and truthful (though HRG's "you're the parent" line at the end was Trekkian in its obviousness (here's the message, folks, are you ready for it? Here it comes, wait for it, and.... plop.)
I also liked the Nathan storyline, although the end of the ep may be the first Heroes-esque boneheaded plot twists of the season:
Tracy was, well, Tracy. And since when does water woman re-form wearing a towel? I want some gratuitous almost-nudity, damnit!
I also liked the Nathan storyline, although the end of the ep may be the first Heroes-esque boneheaded plot twists of the season:
One does not simply off a United States Senator and dump him in a ditch. There would be a national manhunt. If this isn't a major plotline in subsequent eps, it will be ludicrous.
Tracy was, well, Tracy. And since when does water woman re-form wearing a towel? I want some gratuitous almost-nudity, damnit!
Nathan - glad to see he's trying to figure out who he is/was, and I hope to see whatserface squirm when 'Nathan' shows up again . . . that is if 'Nathan' shows up at all
I wish they would show him doing more senatorial things . . . seems like all he does is sit in an office
Hiro - finally some character development. looks like he finally made the move from immature superkid-in-his-30s to guy who realizes heroism is more than saving people and is more about accepting responsibility
can't wait to find out what's up with Parkman
I wish they would show him doing more senatorial things . . . seems like all he does is sit in an office
Hiro - finally some character development. looks like he finally made the move from immature superkid-in-his-30s to guy who realizes heroism is more than saving people and is more about accepting responsibility
can't wait to find out what's up with Parkman
I don't know, it remains a guilty pleasure for me, some episodes better than others...
Not exactly thrilling television, but I didn't hate it. I actually like the little character moments more than most, I guess; the scene with Claire trying to motivate her dad was kind of sweet and truthful (though HRG's "you're the parent" line at the end was Trekkian in its obviousness (here's the message, folks, are you ready for it? Here it comes, wait for it, and.... plop.)
I also liked the Nathan storyline, although the end of the ep may be the first Heroes-esque boneheaded plot twists of the season:
One does not simply off a United States Senator and dump him in a ditch. There would be a national manhunt. If this isn't a major plotline in subsequent eps, it will be ludicrous.
Tracy was, well, Tracy. And since when does water woman re-form wearing a towel? I want some gratuitous almost-nudity, damnit!
The show doesn't seem to remember that Nathan is a Senator. Like most of his other storylines.
Hiro learns a lesson he learned in the first season because the writers don't know what to do with him or any of the other characters.
That's because the writers don't want to write for the characters or at least that is the impression that I get. They have been forced to do so when NBC made Kring keep them around when his original plan was to rotate casts each season.
In the same interview a few years ago, he said that it wasn't the characters that interested him about the show but rather constructing an intriguing mythology. The characters, much like on LOST, aren't very deep but at least in season one you at least connected with them. It seems to me because of NBC's interference with this plan and NBC wanting the seasons chopped into shorter volumes rather than one long expansive season volume it messed up his long term vision for the show and he seems almost resentful that he was saddled with this group beyond year one. Because I really can't see the same people responsible for season one could be so bereft of creativity after one season to only be able to churn out this subpar material.
A few of them aside, the Lost characters are damn good. The Heroes characters can't hold a candle.
I can understand bringing back the Heroes cast though. It was that cast that helped make the show a hit. It's very, very difficult for lightning to strike twice by bringing in a brand new cast. They could have trimmed the fat a little.
I can understand bringing back the Heroes cast though. It was that cast that helped make the show a hit. It's very, very difficult for lightning to strike twice by bringing in a brand new cast. They could have trimmed the fat a little.
While nothing really happened in this episode, I have to say I'm enjoying the characters a LOT more than last season. I think this is the first time I actually liked Claire as a person, and Noah was very human and likeable in this one as well. I also enjoyed Hiro's futile attempts at saving the jumper until he finally realizes to reach out to him emotionally instead. Good stuff. And Sheridan appeared again! Woo!
But the cast wasn't designed to be carried over by Kring. I'd much rather have had a new cast that the writers were interested in writing for than three seasons of a cast that the writers have no enthusiasm for leading to ruining them, inconsistent characterizations, dull character arc, annoying characters etc.
And really if the plotlines were as interesting as in season one I think a new cast of characters would work well enough. I mean as much as I enjoy Lost for the last few seasons the bulk of the cast are just there to react, to investigate, to dump plot exposition, and to be action figures in order to serve the bigger plot picture of the series which was pretty much all the Heroes characters were in season one.
Average. And if it weren't for Nathan's kinda-interesting story with the kickass twist ending - and the fun of watching poor dumb Peter hugging Sylar - it would have been POOR. This one was a dire struggle to sit through.
Does anyone think Hiro or Tracey are remotely interesting? Isn't it obvious to everyone by now that the writers cannot think of anything worthwhile to write about them? They are dragging what's left of this show down, down down.
Noah and Claire didn't help either. The only interesting characters left are Peter, Matt, Angela, and both iterations of Sylar. Samuel has potential. Everyone else, please DIE.
When Hiro talked about the suicide-guy always "having a friend in heaven," my heart lept. I thought Hiro was going to jump off the bulding. No such luck.
So the mystery remains: who the heck did make S1 so good? I refuse to believe the whole writing staff just abruptly lost their talent over the summer between S1 and S2.
It's much better since it's Sylar. Hey dumbass, that Sylar you're hugging! Can't wait to see his face when he realizes he's been playing Petrelli smootchy face with Sylar.
...seriously, this was such a dull episode, that scene was a bright light of hilarity.
On a more serious note, it was a sad counterpart to what must have happened with the real Nathan.
Where did Angela end up burying him, I wonder (and creepy that Sylar-Nathan said he envisioned her "holding a shovel behind her.")
The Heroes characters aren't as good as Lost's but many of them have enough going for them that they could form the basis of ongoing stories. Kring just needs to hire some competent writers, that's where he's fallen short. Anyone who could look at Peter, Nathan, Angela, Noah, Matt, Micah and even Mohinder and not be able to figure out years' worth of great storylines from that gang of characters has no business pretending to be professional writer.
Unlike Nikki/Tracey, Hiro, Ando and Claire - and Sylar without some serious rewriting from the start - that group all represent durable archetypes that other writers have used to create great stories. There's really no excuse for this garbage.
Does anyone think Hiro or Tracey are remotely interesting? Isn't it obvious to everyone by now that the writers cannot think of anything worthwhile to write about them? They are dragging what's left of this show down, down down.
Noah and Claire didn't help either. The only interesting characters left are Peter, Matt, Angela, and both iterations of Sylar. Samuel has potential. Everyone else, please DIE.
When Hiro talked about the suicide-guy always "having a friend in heaven," my heart lept. I thought Hiro was going to jump off the bulding. No such luck.
Weird. How could he do so well with Pushing Daisies and fail so badly here? This has got to be one of the worst episodes ever of Heroes, if not THE worst.
So the mystery remains: who the heck did make S1 so good? I refuse to believe the whole writing staff just abruptly lost their talent over the summer between S1 and S2.
The way I figure, dying caused his shapeshifting to "reset" (tho that didn't happen when the original shapeshifter guy died, go figgure) but did it dislodge Matt's brainwashing? If not, Sylar might still think of himself as Nathan, and regardless if he deduces the truth, will still want to be Nathan - why not want to be who you think you are, and not some other guy you loathe? - and realize he can use shapeshifting to "make things right" and restore Adrian to the plotline. For now.
It's much better since it's Sylar. Hey dumbass, that Sylar you're hugging!
Can't wait to see his face when he realizes he's been playing Petrelli smootchy face with Sylar....seriously, this was such a dull episode, that scene was a bright light of hilarity.
The same two people who vote Poor for episodes that are actually good.
I'm wondering that, too. I fear it's going to be another dramatic twist that ends up lacking the necessary punch. These people shouldn't be bwahaha evil but they do need to be a threat to something the characters value.
Just fast foward to the very end.
Eh, Aunt Lily seemed pretty nutzo and the thug she hired looked like a moron. That whole scenario struck me as one of those real-life murder schemes where the dumbells contact an FBI agent as the "killer for hire" and end up on one of those true-crime shows on MSNBC.
On a more serious note, it was a sad counterpart to what must have happened with the real Nathan.
Where did Angela end up burying him, I wonder (and creepy that Sylar-Nathan said he envisioned her "holding a shovel behind her.")He hasn't constructed an intriguing mythology either. I think Kring stole S1 from some unknown writer who he then murdered and buried in a ditch. There's really no other explanation. Whoever wrote S1 is no longer working on this show, and was never credited, so you have to wonder why they don't kick up a fuss.
The Heroes characters aren't as good as Lost's but many of them have enough going for them that they could form the basis of ongoing stories. Kring just needs to hire some competent writers, that's where he's fallen short. Anyone who could look at Peter, Nathan, Angela, Noah, Matt, Micah and even Mohinder and not be able to figure out years' worth of great storylines from that gang of characters has no business pretending to be professional writer.
Unlike Nikki/Tracey, Hiro, Ando and Claire - and Sylar without some serious rewriting from the start - that group all represent durable archetypes that other writers have used to create great stories. There's really no excuse for this garbage.
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Or maybe Sylar gets his memory back, realizes what Angela and Matt did to him and alters his form back to Nathan and plays along with it unbeknowst to them as he plots revenge. Afterall there is no reason to believe "Nathan" will be gone long enough to raise suspicions about his whereabouts.
I'm almost sure thats whats going to happen. I'm pretty sure they are going to end up with Sylar doing a version of "5 years gone by" with Sylar embrassing pretending to be Nathan and abusing his powers as a Senator/President. To what end, I don't know.
But that would confuse the audience because the story logic is that "real Sylar" (the mean one) is lodged in Matt's head and he is the entity that would want revenge. If faux-Nathan also wants revenge, what's head-Sylar's story?
The resolution of head-Sylar's story has got to be to be placed in his old bod, and then he wants revenge. Which means Nathan-Sylar needs to hang onto the Nathan persona so as not to co-opt head-Sylar's story, leaving head-Sylar and Matt's stories no place to go.
Plus, the minute nasty Sylar is back in his body, he'll just go berzerk. He won't lie low or plot anything and he won't care about messing up the government (oh no, there goes health care!) He's never really been much of a plotter - doesn't seem to have the patience for it.
Then again, these writers don't know how to construct a decent payoff for a story, so it's anyone's guess what will happen.
This is hilarious: Heroes is NBC's #1 drama.
The resolution of head-Sylar's story has got to be to be placed in his old bod, and then he wants revenge. Which means Nathan-Sylar needs to hang onto the Nathan persona so as not to co-opt head-Sylar's story, leaving head-Sylar and Matt's stories no place to go.
Plus, the minute nasty Sylar is back in his body, he'll just go berzerk. He won't lie low or plot anything and he won't care about messing up the government (oh no, there goes health care!) He's never really been much of a plotter - doesn't seem to have the patience for it.
Then again, these writers don't know how to construct a decent payoff for a story, so it's anyone's guess what will happen.
This is hilarious: Heroes is NBC's #1 drama.
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