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Heroes 3x15 "Trust and Blood" Discuss and Grade

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If Daphne's Dead...

The one character they've introduced to the show I actually thought might have a place just bit the dust.

I was trying to give Heroes a fair shot, after the slow Start of Season 2 and then being cut for time during the Writers Strike, but they've gone off the rails in Season 3.

Why can't we have nice things?
 
Not as bad as the entire fall season, but still not what I call good.

I gave it a charitable Average.
 
The show needs to fix Hiro and give him at least teleporting back but love how Peter can only hold one power but eventually when he hopefully takes on Sylar one more time, he can get it back if only for a limited time.

PLEASE GET RID OF CLAIRE...she blows.
 
The show needs to fix Hiro and give him at least teleporting back but love how Peter can only hold one power but eventually when he hopefully takes on Sylar one more time, he can get it back if only for a limited time.

PLEASE GET RID OF CLAIRE...she blows.
I'd love it if Hiro only regains the ability to teleport through space, and not time. Time travel needs to be eliminated completely from this show.

And ditto on Claire.
 
The show needs to fix Hiro and give him at least teleporting back but love how Peter can only hold one power but eventually when he hopefully takes on Sylar one more time, he can get it back if only for a limited time.

PLEASE GET RID OF CLAIRE...she blows.
I'd love it if Hiro only regains the ability to teleport through space, and not time. Time travel needs to be eliminated completely from this show.

And ditto on Claire.
stopping time would still be ok right?
 
Getting rid of Peter would be nice, too.
Is he supposed to be the main character?
He is completely unbelievable in every way. His motifs, his reactions, his character is frankly insulting to watch. He's just so f*cking serious and stupid at the same time it makes me want to scream.

The other characters are find. Dauphine's not dead. Too unceramonious a death for a major character. Assuming deaths on Heroes actually stick.
 
Good: Sylar and his sidekick and their story.

Bad/Indifferent: Everything else.

Really now. The whole thing would go swimmingly - Nathan and his goons have the heroes by the balls at every turn. But no Peter and Claire must be saved, even though they will just cause trouble. As seen this week, when Claire was captured, escaped, caused trouble, got captured again and repeated all that 3 times... and even now Generic Boring Text Friend is gonna get her to cause more trouble again.

Precog stuff is just... just shit. And Daphne is almost certainly not dead - they just wanted to set PacMan on a rageful vengeance tour. Sigh. Yawn. Groan. Etc.
 
This gets a Below Average (modified for the continued Petrelli-Nerf which automatically reduces an episode's score until it is resolved).

The good news is Hiro is trying to get his powers back, which is more than Peter did. Sorry, folks, but if professional writers can't write interesting stories for a man who can travel through time and space then they need to go wait tables or do telesales or something. They shouldn't be trusted with a large television budget.

Time travel is not this show's problem, crippling their own characters is.
 
I didn't think this episode was great either but getting rid of Claire and Peter is a good way to kill this show. The four main characters are Clair, Hiro, Peter, and Sylar. You can’t get rid of any of those. Get rid of the fat guy or the wanna be good guy if you really want someone as a scapegoat.
 
This gets a Below Average (modified for the continued Petrelli-Nerf which automatically reduces an episode's score until it is resolved).

The good news is Hiro is trying to get his powers back, which is more than Peter did. Sorry, folks, but if professional writers can't write interesting stories for a man who can travel through time and space then they need to go wait tables or do telesales or something. They shouldn't be trusted with a large television budget.

Time travel is not this show's problem, crippling their own characters is.


But it ruined StarTrek or what ever the hell they feel like blaming at the time......
 
But it ruined StarTrek or what ever the hell they feel like blaming at the time......

No it didn't. Poorly realised time travel might have hurt it, sure, but it didn't kill Star Trek.

Written properly, there's nothing wrong with time travel stories.

I didn't think this episode was great either but getting rid of Claire and Peter is a good way to kill this show. The four main characters are Clair, Hiro, Peter, and Sylar. You can’t get rid of any of those. Get rid of the fat guy or the wanna be good guy if you really want someone as a scapegoat.

I would rather they kill off any character than keep taking their powers away. All four of what you call the main characters have lost their powers since the show started, three of them on a semi-permanent basis.

It's BORING! I want to see superpowered characters who USE THEIR POWERS!

A show about superheroes that don't use their powers is like Michael Knight keeping KITT in the garage because he doesn't want it to get dirty. What is the point of giving them powers in the first place if the only way you can tell a story is to take those powers away ? Tim Kring and the rest of the writers should resign if their imaginations are so limited that they can see this.
 
One thing I've noticed are the characters on Heroes aren't as interesting as they were in season one. In season one they were interesting to watch as they reacted to their various situations, searched for answers and worked together with a few character moments sprinkled in.

Lost, Prison Break and Heroes are really very plot-driven which I don't personally mind as long as I'm entertained. The characters are more interesting on these type of shows when they are caught up in their situations, reacting, and trying to get answers. These shows rarely afford the kind of quiet character moments as other dramas, although to some degree they are there, because it is more about being focused on a process and nuts and bolts figuring out what is going on, mysteries to solve, being action figures, twists, misdirection etc.

Now that Heroes has slowed down and is trying to transition into a different show with less focus on tons of mysteries, unanswered questions and a big puzzle approach, the writers need to get the characters into some threads that they can develop in an interesting manner for the rest of the season because the interesting backdrop of season one isn't there and in some ways we are getting to know these characters all over again without all the sound and fury that characterized the show early on. And they aren't as interesting on their own.

Right now, on their own, no longer swept up in the quest that was season one I'm not crazy these days about Hiro, Suresh, Matt. Claire is okay I hate Nathan. I like Angela but she doesn't ever receive much screentime. Noah is "there". Ando meh. They should have kept Daphne. Maybe Kring isn't that interested in the characters because he had planned to get rid of all the cast and was now being forced to keep them around. He did say in an interview he was more interested in the mythology and less the characters and didn't expect for them to still be around after the first season.

And the heroes being declared fugitives and the government learning of their existence really should have felt more like a shocking game-changer to the series but surprisingly for me it hasn't really felt like a major upheaval to the status quo. It sorta has fallen flat. We really hadn't got to see these characters living their lives. They've been caught up in a big adventure and series of mysteries so to see they can't go back to their lives doesn't carry the dramatic impact. And the sense of peril and urgency is just not there yet.
They really need to stop with juggling the characters each week and placing them into episodic situations of the week and start pairing the characters off into a few interesting storylines that they can develop for the remainder of the season.
 
Supposedly in a month's time, the new writers or producers or whatever will kick in.
You know, the ones that did season one, moved on to a new TV show which got cancelled and then NBC fired the people who slowed down volumes 2 and 3?
I'm bad with names. Bear with me. But the thought it the show should feel as it did when it first started.

And Daphne is almost certainly not dead - they just wanted to set PacMan on a rageful vengeance tour. Sigh. Yawn. Groan. Etc.

Quoted for truth! But this show, as good as it can be, is painfully predictable sometimes.
 
What I'm hearing is that Season 1 is better than the subsequent seasons down to the present. I don't think that the heroes have become less interesting, at least not all of them. (The Niki/Traci persona has always been so-so.) The advantage Season 1 has is that it was full of mystery and had lots of questions that intrigued us viewers. It was just a young show beginning to grow and develop. The same can be said about other shows like Lost. Once some of the questions are answered, the mystery diminishes, yes, but not necessarily the plot or the characters, which I think, given time and good writing, gain more depth.
 
am I the only one who doesnt dig the new kid? I just find him really unlikable. Whats with this show and terrible teen characters? only cool one was Zack(and Claire in season 1, before she got annoying). And am I right that they are implying that Sylar & this kid have the same father?
 
They need to pick it up, it's getting pretty bad. Below average.

It sucks, because there is such fantastic potential to tell an awesome story but these days they just fuck it up.
 
If HRG says that he's doing what he does so that he can protect Claire and give her a normal life one more fecking time I'll eat my own chin out of sheer despair. See if I don't.

ITL - Repetitive yet resolved.
 
Zeljko Ivanek is a good actor, but he's really being wasted on a one-dimensional "get them all!" character.

Also, Claire has the least-threatening power of them all, so why get all bent out of shape over her? She's got a defensive power, not an offensive one. And it's not like she can charge head first into action like Robocop since she still gets hurt and has to stop to heal.
 
Did Daphne actually die???

That whole scene with Nathan's pseudo flashback/narration with the firefight was just so poorly edited that I still can't decide... LOL. :D I mean that whole confrontation just should be nominated as the worst scene of Heroes EVER - and that takes some skill to achieve!

I guess they just thought their original action scene as shot was crap... But instead of re-shooting what should be a pretty clear and dramatic scene of its own (Daphne appearing to save the Parkman & Co and ending up shot/dead in the process) they decide to add some voice-over/flashback where Nathan has to actually *describe* that Matt is mind-controlling the special forces guy to take out his own team... Geeeez, was there no other way for us to figure that out than to have Nathan tell us while being pseudo-superimposed/wiped on half of the screen???? Are the producers of Heroes *idiots*???

Poor - just Poor.
 
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