HEROES 3x12 "Our Father" Discuss and Grade
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If stopping Arthur and Pinehearst is the final resolution to that problem, then it's really lame. We never saw at all what it was that could cause the world-splitting. Also, In this episode the painting on the building was prominently displayed as if to say "We didn't forget about this, and neither should you"
Me too, but now it makes sense after reading this week's online comic.
Excellent episode! I loved the part when Hiro and Claire were trying to talk over each other in english and japanese! "I know what I have to do... I don't understand what you're saying..."
Dammit parkman! Stop being such an ass kisser to daphne!
I don't really understand why Claire told HRG to not pick up the phone...
I'm glad somebody reminded me that Arthur had Peter's powers, which meant that he had Hiro's powers as well. I completely forgot about that!
Hiro and his mom; great scene
And fuck Ali Larter's character(s)
I think the world splitting apart is supposed to be because too many people had powers randomly given to them and one (or more) of them had a power powerful enough to destroy the world.
Once they stop everyone from gaining abilities then that threat is gone and that future never happens so the world is safe.
That might already be the case since Nathan only wants to give the powers to a select few people and the catalyst is gone with only one large batch of the formula in existence. So with the death or Arthur & the catalyst it looks like that future has already been prevented from happening.
Now the question is: What was the catalyst anyways? An alien energy source that has been around for centuries passing from one person to the next? Maybe it was the "original" person to manifest abilities who turned into an energy being? Whatever the source is, it has had to be around for a long time, since Adam got his powers 400 years ago and if you need the catalyst to get abilities then he had to have been "infected" way back then.
Once they stop everyone from gaining abilities then that threat is gone and that future never happens so the world is safe.
That might already be the case since Nathan only wants to give the powers to a select few people and the catalyst is gone with only one large batch of the formula in existence. So with the death or Arthur & the catalyst it looks like that future has already been prevented from happening.
Now the question is: What was the catalyst anyways? An alien energy source that has been around for centuries passing from one person to the next? Maybe it was the "original" person to manifest abilities who turned into an energy being? Whatever the source is, it has had to be around for a long time, since Adam got his powers 400 years ago and if you need the catalyst to get abilities then he had to have been "infected" way back then.
I'm guessing that Ishi Nakamura's powers created it.
No. I'm just really hoping they've learned their lesson from that.
Perhaps not the world splitting specifically, but we did see the incident at Coste Verde, and hear about an earthquake in Australia. Maybe a deep and hard enough push into the plates by an uncontrolled hero?
Interesting speculation. Hiro *did* appear on the subway (early S1) as a very mature American-speaking Samurai, when he first told Peter 'save the cheerleader.' But he'd need his powers back, and the timeline has already changed pretty substantially, so that's meaningless.
Would you guess he introduced himself to his dad, and became directly involved in company business? Or did he survive 16 years as an independent (find a job and apartment and stay below radar) and just appears out of nowhere for the climax?
Actually, we've seen the kind of ills that good intentions can generate.
All you need is one good liar. Or even assuming all 30 (?) marines passed psych. tests and are true hearts, well, you know, power corrupts, and yada yada.
IOW, I could see a 'world-splitting' future even if Nathan hand-picks every candidate (assuming he wasn't lazy, and that he interviewed each prospect thoroughly). But in fairness, according to Future Peter there was a black market for the x-formula in his world splitting timeline, so it seems that that future may have already been averted, with a limited quantity of the formula (assuming Arthur stays dead, and that the light we saw emerging - presumably the catalyst - does not enter Peter or someone else).
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Average.
Hiro and Claire's stories were flat-out boring. I'm rarely tempted to fast-forward thru this show, but I came close.
Eeevil Sylar is fun, mainly because Zachary Quinto has so much fun in the role, but it's going to get boring quick. It was already getting boring way back in early S2 when they started monkeying with the guy in an attempt to give him some variety and keep him viable as a character.
He certainly does need a character arc, and being a Petrelli and gaining a something of a conscience (or at least an ongoing attempt to do battle with the hunger) were elements that good writers could have done something with, but this crew blew it and the guy is back to square one. When Bryan Fuller takes over, I certainly hope he will realize at long last Sylar either needs a character arc or a very permanent death, and I doubt he'll get the latter till the last episode of the series.
Nathan is still unaccountably stupid, tho Sylar let him off the hook by offing Arthur, and removing the illogic that Nathan would have anything to do with Arthur's plans. Now Nathan can take over this doomed Supersolider program - which I admit, got off on the right foot with the marine's explanation why he'd want powers - and not seem like a dolt because after all, he'll be in charge. And of course the powers will be well-behaved and everything will look rosy. At first.
Peter continues to be the Most Improved Character due to lack of powers. Keep Mohinder's needles far away from him!
Interesting that Matt praised Daphne for "doing the right thing," about five seconds after blatantly violating some poor schlub's human rights by reading his mind, with absolutely no sign of awareness of his own hypocrisy. That tendency Matt has to assume everything he does is good just because of his saintly self-image is going to bite him in the ass someday. Well, when this show gets better writers, it will. I'm not convinced the writers are seeing the hypocrisy of their own writing at this point (but it's interesting stuff that someone else could make use of later on).
So they're never going to explain why Arthur wouldn't immediately tell Sylar that Angela was lying to him about being his mother? Unless...now that would be a kicker, if she were his mother after all. Still hoping for some interestingly freakly scenario involving genetic experimentation in a deep, dark Pinehearst lab.
When Sylar confronts and questions her, for her to fail the lie-detector test would be the obvious outcome. Good writers would opt for the non-obvious outcome, especially since that creates a mystery (which could be nicely compounded if Nathan, at long last, is brought up to speed so he can tell the audience that he never remembered Mommy being pregnant except for when Peter was born).
And with Arthur out of the way, I nominate Peter Coyote as the perfect actor to play Sylar's real daddy.
Hiro and Claire's stories were flat-out boring. I'm rarely tempted to fast-forward thru this show, but I came close.
Eeevil Sylar is fun, mainly because Zachary Quinto has so much fun in the role, but it's going to get boring quick. It was already getting boring way back in early S2 when they started monkeying with the guy in an attempt to give him some variety and keep him viable as a character.
He certainly does need a character arc, and being a Petrelli and gaining a something of a conscience (or at least an ongoing attempt to do battle with the hunger) were elements that good writers could have done something with, but this crew blew it and the guy is back to square one. When Bryan Fuller takes over, I certainly hope he will realize at long last Sylar either needs a character arc or a very permanent death, and I doubt he'll get the latter till the last episode of the series.
Nathan is still unaccountably stupid, tho Sylar let him off the hook by offing Arthur, and removing the illogic that Nathan would have anything to do with Arthur's plans. Now Nathan can take over this doomed Supersolider program - which I admit, got off on the right foot with the marine's explanation why he'd want powers - and not seem like a dolt because after all, he'll be in charge. And of course the powers will be well-behaved and everything will look rosy. At first.
Peter continues to be the Most Improved Character due to lack of powers. Keep Mohinder's needles far away from him!
Interesting that Matt praised Daphne for "doing the right thing," about five seconds after blatantly violating some poor schlub's human rights by reading his mind, with absolutely no sign of awareness of his own hypocrisy. That tendency Matt has to assume everything he does is good just because of his saintly self-image is going to bite him in the ass someday. Well, when this show gets better writers, it will. I'm not convinced the writers are seeing the hypocrisy of their own writing at this point (but it's interesting stuff that someone else could make use of later on).
So they're never going to explain why Arthur wouldn't immediately tell Sylar that Angela was lying to him about being his mother? Unless...now that would be a kicker, if she were his mother after all. Still hoping for some interestingly freakly scenario involving genetic experimentation in a deep, dark Pinehearst lab.
When Sylar confronts and questions her, for her to fail the lie-detector test would be the obvious outcome. Good writers would opt for the non-obvious outcome, especially since that creates a mystery (which could be nicely compounded if Nathan, at long last, is brought up to speed so he can tell the audience that he never remembered Mommy being pregnant except for when Peter was born).
And with Arthur out of the way, I nominate Peter Coyote as the perfect actor to play Sylar's real daddy.
Interesting question. Regardless of biology, Sylar has shown a continual habit of latching onto people in a desperate attempt to create a family for himself. But I think Sylar's real character arc should wait for Fuller to come on board because the current writers just don't have it in them to create worthwhile character arcs. They should concentrate on fun action scenarios that don't require too much talent or continuity to whomp up for now.
Vortex Guy. Who says he's dead, wherever it is that he went?
No real good reason. Arthur could have easily neutralized Hiro by removing his powers instead of erasing his memories but then we couldn't have had a Masi Oka acting silly for three episodes. And how did Arthur erase his memory? The Haitian still has his powers. Just consider it one of the many questionable choices in the pursuit of the story.
I mean we had the Company erasing the memories of the scientists who developed the formula yet they believed it was wise to keep the formula instead of destroying it? Or why didn't Hiro freeze time when Adam escaped at the bar so he could look for him with Adam being frozen in place? Or why Arthur decapitated the African instead of taking his ability? Or why after Adam tried to wipe out the Founders she told Hiro to dig him up for help? Or how Maury was able to project "Linderman" before he was released along with the rest of the Level 5 prisoners?
Ando explicitly said in the episode he plans to get injected with the formula that creates time travel and retrieve Hiro. I suspect that is where they are heading with this.
Well from what I've read I think the initial plan was to get to it in season five when the show will have actually caught up to that future we saw. Afterall we know the destruction of the world won't occur for at least four more years so unlike the threat in season one which was five weeks away here the writers seem to want it to be a long term threat that may not be immediately averted. However, with the possibility the show is in jeopardy there might be some alterations to that plan.
D'OH! I knew I saw him from somewhere. Must be deja vu all over again to be on this show. I remember liking Kyle in the few episodes I caught. Can they get Jeffrey Combs on this show too?
He's just drunk with power, doesn't give a shit, and loves not giving a shit so much that he just wants to push it as far as he can go. That may be a direction for the writers to go - make him so obvious about his murders that he can't help but attract public attention, thereby blowing the whole thing for everyone. The general public has got to find out about all this crap sooner or later and Sylar seems to be just the guy to do it.
Don't get your hopes up. They haven't actually solved any of their problems with sloppy ass characterization and directionless writing. They just distracted us with a shiny new toy that actually turns out to be a shiny old toy (craaaazy Sylar).
These writers are missing emotional punch lines left and right. It's one of the most annoying things about this season. How about the fallout of Peter getting the hunger and realizing it could make even his own saintly self just as eeeevil as Sylar? That didn't rattle him? And they did nothing with the eeevil Peter notion, tho maybe the producers took one look at Milo's acting and cancelled the whole idea?
Yup. That's another missed punch line. Plus I expected something a bit more between Arthur and Nathan.
Yep, the bullet went thru his forehead. Whatever happened to the back of the neck idea? But these writers are so sloppy, Arthur will probably stay dead!
Someone will inevitably dig out that damn bullet, won't they? But in the meantime, will anyone think to chop Arthur up into sushi as a sensible precaution? Of course not.
It would also be interesting if Nathan actually doesn't think of Future Peter and "his" Peter as being the same person at all. If it were me, and there were two of a certain person I know, acting very differently, the one I'd known for years would be the "real" person and the other would be a stranger. I don't think I'd see them as at all the same person. But this is the sort of thing that only the writers can decide so they should decide what makes for more interesting drama and just go for it.
He knew. He'd already arranged for Tracy to find his "corpse" later and dig the bullet out.
That's got to be one of the clumsiest plot-convenience twists these writers have ever imposed on an episode, and they are the kings of plot convenience.
Yeah, this can't be the resolution, it would fall entirely flat. I was happy to see the planet mural; I'd been fretting that they'd forgotten entirely.
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Shut the board down, Temis and I have agreed on something. The world is ending, you all need to go and spend time with your loved ones now before the end time comes.
Combs is my favourite actor.
^or Summer Glau, playing somebody who doesn't have super powers for a change. Typecast I tell ya.
prob wont happen if sara connor chronicles is still on.
but if it does get cancled, Thomas Dekker could come back and it wold be totally tongue and cheek for her to come back with her as "siblings."
prob wont happen if sara connor chronicles is still on.
but if it does get cancled, Thomas Dekker could come back and it wold be totally tongue and cheek for her to come back with her as "siblings."
Two things: First, in the 16 years-ago era, was that Arthur then or Arthur now? Given the "tell Angela I win" and the fact that they didn't dye his hair or anything, it seems he's the Arthur from the present who somehow already had time traveling ability before taking Hiro's ability. Second, Arthur isn't dead. As soon as the Haitian moves away from him, his healing power will switch back on and he'll come back to life. We've seen Claire do that several times.
^Answering your points.
First, it was present day Arthur. He gained Hiro's time travel and teleportation abilities from Peter. He gained every ability Peter had, as evidenced by the fact that he uses Elle's electricity manipulation (which Peter had gained months before while being held by Primatech) to demonstrate that he's taken Peter's powers.
Second, a person with regenerative healing as demonstrated in this show will not immediately recover if "killed" by a gunshot wound or other penetrative injury to the head. The cause of the injury must be removed. Claire, for instance, had a tree branch driven through her head the first time we saw this happen. She did not recover until the nurse removed it. Similarly, the piece of glass that Sylar used to "kill" Peter had to be removed.
First, it was present day Arthur. He gained Hiro's time travel and teleportation abilities from Peter. He gained every ability Peter had, as evidenced by the fact that he uses Elle's electricity manipulation (which Peter had gained months before while being held by Primatech) to demonstrate that he's taken Peter's powers.
Second, a person with regenerative healing as demonstrated in this show will not immediately recover if "killed" by a gunshot wound or other penetrative injury to the head. The cause of the injury must be removed. Claire, for instance, had a tree branch driven through her head the first time we saw this happen. She did not recover until the nurse removed it. Similarly, the piece of glass that Sylar used to "kill" Peter had to be removed.
Yes, but the moment the bullet is removed Arthur will revive. Even if the Haitian stopped his healing power at the time of death.
Or have you all already forgotten that Claire revived even though she died during the Eclipse? At least the writers seem to have forgotten.
Or have you all already forgotten that Claire revived even though she died during the Eclipse? At least the writers seem to have forgotten.
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