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HBO: "The Leftovers"

Quote = "She beat her children! She beat her children! God did not take her to heaven! This was not the rapture!"
 
I've read about but not seen it. Is the manner in which the premise has been presented leave an opening for a reveal at some point that the "rapture" was caused by something quite apart, perhaps diametrically so, from a theological or philosophical construct? Or does it seem to be designed to continue riffing down a morose spiritual cul-de-sac?
There's no information about it, other than both the Pope and Gary Bussey were taken.
 
I also felt hostility to the white shirts as I call them.

I can't help wonder if this is rather like Moving Mars..if enough people believe in a thing.

The biggest problem is that it seems like more than 2% left. The Rapture explanation would have been debunked by demographics and statistics alone. That's what you want to do--see if they were all O-negative or something.
 
Please remember the rapture lasts 7 years.

The best and most loved goes up immediately as the Antichrist takes over the Earth.

So then the remaining people on the Earth have to be good people, loyal to God, to get picked up on the second pass of rapturing 7 years down the line or after they martyr themselves resisting the Beast, despite now that Satan's kid is King of the world... But if you chose to support that bastard in any way, by taking the mark of the Beast, even if you don't know that he is the Antichrist, unfortunately you don't go to Heaven when the clock runs out.

Crazies have said that the Mark of the Beast might be Social Security numbers and/or phone numbers.

:)

Here's the bit that I don't get.

If Satan and or the Beast get whacked by the second coming of Jesus at the conclusion of Revelations, then who is running Hell and where do the damned go now that Hell doesn't haven't have a CEO to run the place?

Do the damned have an election?

Do they construct a meritocracy?

Does God send down another Angel?

Do the Demons in hell, Satan's lieutenants all go two steps up the command structure?

Or does God just disintergrate their souls?
 
So I watched tonight's episode against my better judgment.

At no point in this episode did the behavior of any character make any sense.

For all the weird crap that happened in Lost, at least when a character made a decision, it made sense based on your knowledge of that character given the situation that character was in.

So far this show is just people doing random crap for no explained reason. "This girl is special, she must be protected!" Umm, why? You haven't explained to the audience why she's special or why these people are raiding your house and murdering people. There is no explanation whatsoever for anything that is going on in this show.
 
So far this show is just people doing random crap for no explained reason. "This girl is special, she must be protected!" Umm, why? You haven't explained to the audience why she's special or why these people are raiding your house and murdering people. There is no explanation whatsoever for anything that is going on in this show.


Was I watching the same LOST show as you?

"Let's wonder around this island for no reason and never ask the people that know something what the fuck is going on!"
 
His magic hugs are powered by Asian Vagina.

Said so right in the beginning.

Obviously the quality of the Asian vagina determines the potency of his magic hug.

You need to pay more attention.
 
So far this show is just people doing random crap for no explained reason. "This girl is special, she must be protected!" Umm, why? You haven't explained to the audience why she's special or why these people are raiding your house and murdering people. There is no explanation whatsoever for anything that is going on in this show.


Was I watching the same LOST show as you?

"Let's wonder around this island for no reason and never ask the people that know something what the fuck is going on!"

They always had a personal reason for wandering around the island, and the 'People who knew what the fuck was going on' had only ever interacted with them with violence, threats and kidnapping for the first three seasons. And the few times they did ask them what was going on they responded through lies and dissembling.

In The Leftovers it's like "This random guy is shooting dogs then disappearing, dogs apparently went berserk when people disappeared and nobody noticed except this guy". Or "These people are abandoning their families and joining this white robe cult that has no expressed motive with no motive for doing so. Hey let's chop this tree! You watched The Master right, you get the MO right yeah?"
 
I was prepared to suppress my distaste for Damon Lindelof and give this show a shit, but after reading this thread, I doubt I'll bother.
 
After the show my wife asked me what I think caused the rapture event. I couldn't help but think she hadn't learned anything from Lost. In other words, that's not the focus of the show, and it likely never will be. It's basically just a backdrop to service some drama between characters without actually forming any coherent plot. The problem is that when your characters are so dull, the plot is really all that's left to look to.
 
I'm frustrated as well but I actually feel that it maybe a good thing. I think they are trying to create the confusion for the character in us. It's obvious that the characters actually know more then us at this point and for most TV shows it's the other way around. In the first episode we got no answers, just thrown in. Yet in this episode we got a few inklings of what's going on. I think in a few episodes we'll know what we need to really follow along. I like the show so far and I will stick along for the long haul.
 
Episode 2 was 10 times better than episode 1... because Episode 1 was shit and up is about the only place it could go, but if episode 3 is also 10 times better than episode 2 it's possible that this series might become somewhat "enjoyable".

Besides, ain't you just watching this Justin Theroux boy carefully and thinking: So this is Jennier Aniston's penis. This is what she is into. Could I be this?
 
Finally saw the first episode, and it was a lot more engrossing than I was expecting. I can definitely see how it could be too bleak and slow for most, but having just finished up The Revenants which had a similar tone and feel, I don't really have a problem with that aspect of it.

One thing I especially like is that it really DOES feel like the world and the people in it have changed somehow because of this event, and become a bit darker and stranger as a result. I thought they did a good job getting that idea across.

And thankfully the characters all feel much more believable and authentic than the cheesy types seen on, say, Under the Dome.
 
I'm writing this show up for a shot. Nonsensical character motivation is contraband!

It feels like people are joining this silence cult, just because, y'know, that's what you do when weird apocalypse stuff is going on.

You need to get us attached to the characters before you can get away with ramping up the weirdness. Even Lost didn't introduce magic until episode 4.
 
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