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His Dark Materials is the template that this potential HP show should follow, which makes Jack Thorne the perfect person to Showrun it.

Beyond getting Jack involved, you cast fairly age-appropriate, film a couple of the early seasons back-to-back, and distribute the story of each season over 8 to 10 episodes, and you've potentially got another hit adaptation of the novels on your hands that can stand alongside the films.
 
Well, even granting that some animation takes more time than others, that's almost always true, except maybe for a few filmed sitcoms. (It would be a lot easier to remake Lawrence of Arabia a la South Park than to do a new live action miniseries about him, wouldn't it.)

First off, I wasn't talking about the ease of the animation process; I meant it would be simpler to deal with the aging of child actors in an animated production, since you could record the voices for the entire season -- even multiple seasons -- in a matter of weeks and then take as long as needed to do the animation. Voice tracks are the first thing done in American animation, since the animation is then done in sync with them, so they're often recorded years before a show is released.

Second, you grossly underestimate the difficulty and complexity of animation on the whole. Using South Park as a template for the difficulty of animation in general is like using a peanut butter sandwich as a template for the difficulty of cooking in general.


As for season length, I'd say that that's the least of their worries, because what even is a streaming season? Three episodes, four episodes, spaced however long apart, it's whatever the streaming service says it is, really limited only by how much flexibility they're asking of their subscribers.

But the first two books are so short that it would be really unsatisfying to have to wait two whole years to get beyond them. The two of them combined are shorter than any one of books 4-7, and the first three books combined are shorter than Order of the Phoenix.


And not making each year one season, regardless of the episode counts, would be needlessly confusing.

Why? The Expanse's first few seasons didn't align with where the books started and ended. A lot of TV series based on book series don't even follow the books exactly, just putting their story elements together in a new way.

And I don't see how doing the first two books as one season is any more "confusing" than doing the seventh book as two movies. The audience isn't stupid, and children are usually far less stupid about such things than adults are. It's not that hard to understand change.


To be fair, filmmaking has made great strides since the early 2000s. A TV production today could use a volume to shoot almost everything in one soundstage, and digital doubles could drastically reduce the number of child extras needed.

Which is basically animation, so why not just do the whole thing that way? I think animation would be a great medium for Harry Potter.
 
I can't believe that WB is voluntarily getting involved in another project with JK Rowling. I can understand that they probably have to work with her if the Fantastic Beasts series continue, but you'd think at this point they'd want to have as little as possible to do with her outside of that. I understand the Wizard World franchise is or at least was incredibly popular, but with everything going on, you'd think they'd want to avoid controversy, not invite even more.
 
I can't believe that WB is voluntarily getting involved in another project with JK Rowling. I can understand that they probably have to work with her if the Fantastic Beasts series continue, but you'd think at this point they'd want to have as little as possible to do with her outside of that. I understand the Wizard World franchise is or at least was incredibly popular, but with everything going on, you'd think they'd want to avoid controversy, not invite even more.

Zaslav doesn't care about controversy. He cares about the bottom line, and a new Harry Potter for a new generation should be money in the bank, especially with all the association merchandise and cross promotion of all their other HP products, while also growing the audience for more theatrical projects and an expansion of the franchise in new areas.
 
Yeah, but controversy like this could very well effect the bottom line if there are enough LGBT+ and ally fans who aren't going watch the show because of JK Rowling's involvement. Even though I really enjoyed the first two Fantastic Beasts movies, I have been hesitant to watch the third one for that very reason, and I'm not sure if I'll watch the show.
 
I meant it would be simpler to deal with the aging of child actors in an animated production, since you could record the voices for the entire season -- even multiple seasons -- in a matter of weeks and then take as long as needed to do the animation.
Meh, there's a real magic to watching actors age in "real," in-universe time that animation just can't match.


Which is basically animation, so why not just do the whole thing that way? I think animation would be a great medium for Harry Potter.
The mainstream American public, which would have to be a key market for a show with this much theoretical mass appeal, has not shown itself to be interested in animation for long-form or dramatic storytelling. You can bemoan that fact and call for blazing a trail as much as you like, but there's no precedent for what you're proposing here. And frankly, I'm not interested in long-form/dramatic animation either, so I won't be debating this particular point any longer. ;)


But the first two books are so short that it would be really unsatisfying to have to wait two whole years to get beyond them. The two of them combined are shorter than any one of books 4-7, and the first three books combined are shorter than Order of the Phoenix.
Yeah, but the later books should have been a lot shorter. The Phoenix movie was the shortest of the bunch (if we count Hallows as one big movie) for good reason: that book sucks rotten troll toes. Also, one thing the moviegoing public didn't know until after the Phoenix movie's release was how lame the Hallows story was, and by then, they were too invested to care all that much. Unless the latter years' story gets rewritten, it might be hard to get all that interested in the other visiting schools from Goblet in particular knowing their importance to the big finale is... *checks notes* f***-all. :p

And, if they were patient, WB could always put completed seasons in a vault, to wait until they could release them closer together. (It would probably be kinder to the child actors to not have their work heavily scrutinized, and make celebrities of them, until they're a bit older anyway.)


Why? The Expanse's first few seasons didn't align with where the books started and ended. A lot of TV series based on book series don't even follow the books exactly, just putting their story elements together in a new way.
Fun fact: the general public is just a wee bit more familiar with the Harry Potter books than they are with the Expanse books. And, since each book covers one year, it would be ridiculous not to group each set of episodes by season/year, no matter the release schedule.
 
Meh, there's a real magic to watching actors age in "real," in-universe time that animation just can't match.

In your opinion as a viewer. If you were a TV producer who had to mount a multi-year series centering on child actors, you might be concerned more with pragmatic issues than such subjective ones.


The mainstream American public, which would have to be a key market for a show with this much theoretical mass appeal, has not shown itself to be interested in animation for long-form or dramatic storytelling.

Umm, Harry Potter is a children's series. There have been a lot of successful long-form children's television series in animation.



Yeah, but the later books should have been a lot shorter.

That's not the subject, and it's a matter of opinion rather than fact, so I have no interest in debating it. I'm talking about the first two books and the objective fact that they are extremely short and simple compared to the others. The concern is that devoting an entire season to each book might require padding the first two out considerably, and that could make for a weak, meandering beginning to the series. Imagine if the first Tolkien films to be released had been the Hobbit trilogy.


Fun fact: the general public is just a wee bit more familiar with the Harry Potter books than they are with the Expanse books.

The audience's prior familiarity should never matter. Every work of fiction should be made to work entirely as its own self-contained entity, accessible to newcomers without requiring prior familiarity with the work being adapted. That's the whole reason most adaptations change things from the original -- because the priority is what the current story needs to work as well as it can, regardless of how the source material handled it. The Harry Potter movies were the exception in being as faithful to the books as they were, and even they made major changes in the later films. The series will be its own entity -- it won't be the books or the movies, but will be a new work based on the books. So its priority should be to structure the story in the way that works best for itself, rather than merely copying something that's already been done. Why even bother doing a new version if it's not going to tell the story in a new way? (See Game of Thrones, for instance. The first few seasons were close to the books, but as it went on, it diverged more and more and eventually became its own distinct thing.)


And, since each book covers one year, it would be ridiculous not to group each set of episodes by season/year, no matter the release schedule.

"Ridiculous?" There have been plenty of TV series that don't progress in real time. LOST's first four seasons covered only 100 days of story time, flashbacks aside. Young Justice's second season was set five years after the first.

And there's no reason a single broadcast season can't be subdivided into distinct story arcs, like The Flash's use of "graphic novel" sub-arcs in its recent seasons. A lot of recent network shows with long midseason breaks have tended to divide their story arcs into two half-seasons, so that a single broadcast year contains two complete, successive story arcs. It's actually quite common these days, so it's bizarre that you think it's impossible.
 
Apropos of nothing, I suppose, but I just got notified that HBO Max becomes just "Max" on May 23. On the 'ahem' plus side for me, as an HBO Max subscriber, I guess I'll now be able to watch Discovery +, which we had for a while, but dropped it to cut a few costs.

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There has been nothing worth watching on Discovery since Mythbusters ended, and for years it was the only thing worth watching on Discovery. It started out as an educational/science channel, but degenerated into "reality" garbage.
 
I understand the Wizard World franchise is or at least was incredibly popular, but with everything going on, you'd think they'd want to avoid controversy, not invite even more.

"Hogwarts Legacy" has sold something like fifteen million copies despite a near total lack of publicity from gaming websites and publications. As with most things in life the screaming of people on the internet is not a reliable indicator of what the rest of the world thinks.
 
Well, they also made a point of repeatedly saying that JK Rowling wasn't involved, so that might have been enough to comfort some of the people who disagree with her.
Setting aside that whole issue, I'm also a little disappointed they're just adapting the books again. I'd much rather get something we haven't seen before, like maybe going back and dealing with Harry's parents or something like that.
 
I can't believe that WB is voluntarily getting involved in another project with JK Rowling. I can understand that they probably have to work with her if the Fantastic Beasts series continue, but you'd think at this point they'd want to have as little as possible to do with her outside of that. I understand the Wizard World franchise is or at least was incredibly popular, but with everything going on, you'd think they'd want to avoid controversy, not invite even more.

Go to Universal Studios or Islands of Adventure in Orlando, head over to Diagon Alley/Hogsmeade, and you'll find yourself unable to move it's so crowded. Three of the longest waits are for the Velocicoaster, Hagrid's Magical Motorbike Adventure and the Hogwarts Express.

I'm surprised it's taken them THIS long to announce a series reboot.
 
I honestly am a little surprised by that, again ignoring the Rowling controversy, just because it's been so long since we had any new books, and with the last two Fantastic Beasts not doing as well at the box office as a lot of other big franchise movies, I has assumed the franchise overall was on the way out.
I've heard, though, that there are controversies about the game having to do with its designer's extreme views, and the way its storyline has anti-Semitic implications.
I hadn't heard about any of that.
 
Go to Universal Studios or Islands of Adventure in Orlando, head over to Diagon Alley/Hogsmeade, and you'll find yourself unable to move it's so crowded. Three of the longest waits are for the Velocicoaster, Hagrid's Magical Motorbike Adventure and the Hogwarts Express.

I'm surprised it's taken them THIS long to announce a series reboot.
It's a theme park, there's a line to see the Waterworld stunt show.
 
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