Have Episodes Been Split Up / Merged?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by CaptainXaviOfEarth, Mar 8, 2020.

  1. CaptainXaviOfEarth

    CaptainXaviOfEarth Commander Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2020
    The Powers That Be might talk more about this at a later date, but I’ve just heard that:

    • The original episodes 1 and 2 were stretched out into three episodes.
    • The original episodes 7 and 8 were combined together into one episode, with a little bit of original episode 8 edited into original episode 9, to become the new episode 8 that airs next week.

    Any evidence of this being the case?
     
  2. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2011
    They've been saying since before the show started production that it would be 10 episodes long.
     
  3. AndorianAle

    AndorianAle Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2016
    Location:
    Moncton, NB
    Frakes said he directed a couple episodes before they adjusted the story and asked him to reprise his role as Riker. So the story itself has been in flux well into the process, so it’s possible.
     
    Turtletrekker likes this.
  4. CaptainXaviOfEarth

    CaptainXaviOfEarth Commander Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2020
    And?

    If they added an episode (splitting episode 2 in two episodes) and removed another (merging episodes 7 and 8), that would still equal 10.
     
  5. DaveyNY

    DaveyNY Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    May 14, 2001
    Location:
    Schenectady
    Why does it even matter?
    We're still getting TEN Episodes.

    Let's go back to discussing the loss of "Gene's Vision", at least that's interesting.
    :rolleyes:
     
    Vger23, Ar-Pharazon, gblews and 5 others like this.
  6. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2011
    Though Chabon said that wasn’t true, Riker was intended to be in from the start.

    I think Frakes just worded it weird.
     
  7. Relayer1

    Relayer1 Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2011
    Location:
    The Black Country, England
    It is ?
     
    SolarisOne and Lord Garth like this.
  8. ATimson

    ATimson Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2003
    Location:
    Andrew Timson
    The writing credits on the first three episodes argue against this. If so, it was done at the script stage, not during editing.
     
  9. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2001
    First I heard about any of this. It is true the first three episodes were edited together for the premiere screening, but they were always intended to be released as separate episodes.
     
  10. Lord Garth

    Lord Garth Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    May 7, 2011
    Location:
    Aug 10, 1999
    It was. Then, before we knew it, it was 1993.
     
  11. CaptainXaviOfEarth

    CaptainXaviOfEarth Commander Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2020
    I fail to understand this. The same bunch of writers wrote all three, suggesting it could easily be two episodes edited into three episodes.

    Where is Doug Aarniokoski’s 2nd episode?
     
  12. Campe

    Campe Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2001
    Location:
    Texas
    This matters... why?
     
  13. gvn2fly

    gvn2fly Lieutenant Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2016
    Some of the scenes for episode 2 and 3 were filmed later in the show's production cycle when they realized they wanted to set some things up better. I know the Picard / Raffi flashback scene was one such scene and the CSI type scene at Dahj's apartment in episode 2 were filmed and added later. If they originally filed the Oh/Agnes scene for episode 7, they could have decided to add some of it to episode 3 as well. It also explains the weird lengths for episodes 2 and 3 that were shorter than the others have been. And I've felt that the first 3 would have worked better as 2 longer episodes, so it's interesting they took the approach they did. This was the first I had heard about rearranging scenes in episodes 7/8/9, but it wouldn't be surprising.

    Also, Jonathan Frakes has said that Riker wasn't planned to appear in episode 7 when he was directing episodes 4 and 5 so that seemed to be a late decision to the season's plan - definitely for the better in my opinion. When Frakes directed episodes 4 and 5 they were episodes 3 and 4 at the time, so the decision to film and add scenes to make episodes 2 and 3 what they became was definitely made later in the season.
     
  14. gvn2fly

    gvn2fly Lieutenant Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2016
    Interesting question from someone on a Star Trek Picard message board. Does anything discussed here matter? Some people are interested in the production and creative process.
     
    Sakonna and SoM like this.
  15. thribs

    thribs Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2017
    The pilot was split into 3 episodes and episode 7 was added in as an afterthought.
     
  16. eschaton

    eschaton Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2017
    Episodes 2/3 are actually labeled 102a/102b in terms of production order, with 4 as 103, 5 as 104, etc. Which makes it pretty damn clear what was originally intended.
     
  17. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2014
    Location:
    fireproof78
    The subject matter does not, no.
     
    ITDUDE likes this.
  18. CaptainXaviOfEarth

    CaptainXaviOfEarth Commander Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2020
    It perhaps doesn't matter. But it's interesting to know what changes were made during the production process.

    There is a DC Comics show called Titans that had a 13 episode order for its first season. It filmed the first episode twice during the shoot, scrapped its 4th episode almost entirely (they added one or two of its scenes in other episodes), removed an entire subplot set in outer-space (though they only filmed the greenscreen elements) and then delayed and re-edited its season 1 finale into the season 2 premiere. Even then, they cut two expensive fight scenes that no longer made sense to keep in season 2.

    I personally find this stuff interesting.
     
  19. CaptainXaviOfEarth

    CaptainXaviOfEarth Commander Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2020
    Do you know the labels for the rest of the season?
     
  20. Cyrus

    Cyrus Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2002
    Location:
    Los Angeles
    Each director was supposed to do 2 episodes. But when the pilot episodes went from 2 to 3 Culpepper ended up directing 3. So someone had to do 1. Aarniokoski is already getting credit as co-executive producer on all episodes (making him the lead director of the series Similar to Osunsanmi on Discovery) so I guess it was easy for him to give up one episode.