Hated it

[Kelthaz]

Bullshit. The majority of the vocal minority of people who don't enjoy the films only have themselves to blame for expecting something that would fall under such rigid and unchanging criteria and not allowing themselves to be more open to what new interpretations there might be and what value those new interpretations may inherently possess. It's a shame, I suppose, because they are cheating themselves out of a fun movie-going experience. To wit, YMMV.

That post certainly doesn't put people on the defensive and contribute to more arguing.

 

[Jedi_Master]

Bullshit. The majority of the vocal minority of people who don't enjoy the films only have themselves to blame for expecting something that would fall under such rigid and unchanging criteria and not allowing themselves to be more open to what new interpretations there might be and what value those new interpretations may inherently possess. It's a shame, I suppose, because they are cheating themselves out of a fun movie-going experience. To wit, YMMV.

Or, they could just not like them all that much, and still be normal, well adjusted Star Trek fans.

 

[Kelthaz]

Bullshit. The majority of the vocal minority of people who don't enjoy the films only have themselves to blame for expecting something that would fall under such rigid and unchanging criteria and not allowing themselves to be more open to what new interpretations there might be and what value those new interpretations may inherently possess. It's a shame, I suppose, because they are cheating themselves out of a fun movie-going experience. To wit, YMMV.

Or, they could just not like them all that much, and still be normal, well adjusted Star Trek fans.

Well, if you read carefully through doubleohfive's post he is only complaining about a section of a vocal minority who dislike the film, so he is implicitly saying that most people who dislike the film are normal folks. He agrees with you. It's just not very clear and it reads like an attack on anyone who dislikes the film. I misinterpreted his post too when I replied to it.

 

[Jedi_Master]

Bullshit. The majority of the vocal minority of people who don't enjoy the films only have themselves to blame for expecting something that would fall under such rigid and unchanging criteria and not allowing themselves to be more open to what new interpretations there might be and what value those new interpretations may inherently possess. It's a shame, I suppose, because they are cheating themselves out of a fun movie-going experience. To wit, YMMV.

Or, they could just not like them all that much, and still be normal, well adjusted Star Trek fans.

Well, if you read carefully through doubleohfive's post he is only complaining about a section of a vocal minority who dislike the film, so he is implicitly saying that most people who dislike the film are normal folks. He agrees with you. It's just not very clear and it reads like an attack on anyone who dislikes the film. I misinterpreted his post too when I replied to it.

Your probably right, plus our good buddy 005 can get a little excited when he is on the ranting.

 

[doubleohfive]

Bullshit. The majority of the vocal minority of people who don't enjoy the films only have themselves to blame for expecting something that would fall under such rigid and unchanging criteria and not allowing themselves to be more open to what new interpretations there might be and what value those new interpretations may inherently possess. It's a shame, I suppose, because they are cheating themselves out of a fun movie-going experience. To wit, YMMV.

Or, they could just not like them all that much, and still be normal, well adjusted Star Trek fans.

The delicate little snowflakes really are put upon these days.

Well, if you read carefully through doubleohfive's post he is only complaining about a section of a vocal minority who dislike the film, so he is implicitly saying that most people who dislike the film are normal folks. He agrees with you. It's just not very clear and it reads like an attack on anyone who dislikes the film. I misinterpreted his post too when I replied to it.

After nearly six years, it's gotten old. It's two damn movies. Like 'em or love 'em. Hating them, so long after the fact is a waste of time, which I am all too happy to point out to those people who do so.

Your probably right, plus our good buddy 005 can get a little excited when he is on the ranting.

Infraction for flaming. Comments to Squiggy's ass.

 

[M'Sharak]

Comments to Squiggy's ass.

 

[doubleohfive]

 

[eyeresist]

After nearly six years, it's gotten old. It's two damn movies. Like 'em or love 'em. Hating them, so long after the fact is a waste of time, which I am all too happy to point out to those people who do so.

This from the guy who recently did a driveby on an obscure thread about Worf's voice in Nemesis:

Jesus, there's not enough to complain about this movie already?

Practice what you preach, man.

 

[doubleohfive]

Uh... I don't complain about the movies. That post was to point out how dumb it was for you guys to be bitching about Worf's voice despite there being, admittedly, plenty of flaws in the film far more worthy of discussion, if need be.

Read between the lines, man.

 

[M'Sharak]

Let's leave Worf's voice in the other forum, shall we? It's not anything which needs to come over here.

 

[Orphalesion]

After nearly six years, it's gotten old. It's two damn movies. Like 'em or love 'em. Hating them, so long after the fact is a waste of time, which I am all too happy to point out to those people who do so.

Wat does the age of a movie have to do with anybody's enjoyment or lack of enjoyment of it? Disney's adaption of the "Jungle Book" was released in 1967, yet I dislike that movie, just like I dislike ST09 and Into Darkness. Hate is a strong word, but I think people are even allowed to hate an old movie if they wish so, just like people can love a movie that 6, 10 or even 60 years old.

The problem I think stems when people who don't enjoy the new movies try to convince people who do to change their minds, begrudge them their enjoyment or declared they are not "real" ST fans (whatever that is) these peoplee have to learns that everybody can love, like, dislike or hate the things they choose.

However it is also true that not everybody who says they dislike or hate the reboot tries to destroy others' enjoyment of it. I can only speak for myself, but I'm happy for everybody who enjoys them, even if I didn't. All cool in my eyes.

 

[Lance]

Wow, until doubleohfive's post, I'd actually kind of forgotten it's been six years since the reboot. Pretty weird to think it's been that long.

 

[Smellmet]

You can see the cast looking younger just between 09 and STID

 

[Sindatur]

After nearly six years, it's gotten old. It's two damn movies. Like 'em or love 'em. Hating them, so long after the fact is a waste of time, which I am all too happy to point out to those people who do so.

Wat does the age of a movie have to do with anybody's enjoyment or lack of enjoyment of it? Disney's adaption of the "Jungle Book" was released in 1967, yet I dislike that movie, just like I dislike ST09 and Into Darkness. Hate is a strong word, but I think people are even allowed to hate an old movie if they wish so, just like people can love a movie that 6, 10 or even 60 years old.

The problem I think stems when people who don't enjoy the new movies try to convince people who do to change their minds, begrudge them their enjoyment or declared they are not "real" ST fans (whatever that is) these peoplee have to learns that everybody can love, like, dislike or hate the things they choose.

However it is also true that not everybody who says they dislike or hate the reboot tries to destroy others' enjoyment of it. I can only speak for myself, but I'm happy for everybody who enjoys them, even if I didn't. All cool in my eyes.

Exactly, it's not that there's anything wrong with disliking or hating a movie 6 years on, the problem is with some who make a daily (or almost daily) habit of bashing that movie (and fans thereof) 6 years later

 

[Rincewiend]

Exactly, it's not that there's anything wrong with disliking or hating a movie 6 years on, the problem is with some who make a daily (or almost daily) habit of bashing that movie (and fans thereof) 6 years later

It gets a bit tiresome, yes...
I'm no fan of Voyager or Enterprise, but you won't see me going into those sub-fora and saying it in so many ways on a daily basis...
I just don't go there and don't think about it...

Personally i liked the new movies...

 

[Belz...]

It gets a bit tiresome, yes...
I'm no fan of Voyager or Enterprise, but you won't see me going into those sub-fora and saying it in so many ways on a daily basis...

Yeah, I don't understand why people do that. I stick to the things I like.

 

[The Doctor]

I used to hate-review Enterprise for TrekWeb during its original run but I don't think I've stepped foot in the Enterprise forum here. Come to think of it, I don't think I've been in any of the series sub-fora except maybe TOS.

 

[TheSubCommander]

Exactly, it's not that there's anything wrong with disliking or hating a movie 6 years on, the problem is with some who make a daily (or almost daily) habit of bashing that movie (and fans thereof) 6 years later

To be fair, and I am not going to mention names out of interest of not wanting to turn this into a flame war (and they know who they are, anyway), but there are Abramsverse supporters who do the exact same thing with the 24th Century era, all the time at Trek BBS. It's been 20 years since TNG the series (and 12 since Nemesis), almost 16 since DS9, and almost 14 since Voyager, yet they can't help themselves to bash those shows at every opportunity. Some of them(posting in this very thread) have been on record of saying some pretty awful things about those shows, and even in some cases taking to the personal level about some posters who happen to be fans of those shows. And yet they act as if someone offended their mothers if you even suggest Star Trek Into Darkness sucked. Isn't that sort of hypocritical?

 

[M'Sharak]

Exactly, it's not that there's anything wrong with disliking or hating a movie 6 years on, the problem is with some who make a daily (or almost daily) habit of bashing that movie (and fans thereof) 6 years later

To be fair, and I am not going to mention names out of interest of not wanting to turn this into a flame war (and they know who they are, anyway), but there are Abramsverse supporters who do the exact same thing with the 24th Century era, all the time at Trek BBS. It's been 20 years since TNG the series (and 12 since Nemesis), almost 16 since DS9, and almost 14 since Voyager, yet they can't help themselves to bash those shows at every opportunity. Some of them(posting in this very thread) have been on record of saying some pretty awful things about those shows, and even in some cases taking to the personal level about some posters who happen to be fans of those shows. And yet they act as if someone offended their mothers if you even suggest Star Trek Into Darkness sucked. Isn't that sort of hypocritical?

If those unnamed folks were periodically going to the TNG forum or the DS9 forum or the VOY forum for the sole purpose of announcing their hatred or dislike for the show to which the forum was specific, then that might be hypocritical, yes, and it would very likely be annoying to the folks who frequent that forum to talk about a show they like. There's even something about that in the old board rules and newer FAQ:

Showing Criticism

It's fine to say a certain aspect of Star Trek is bad, as long as you don't insult the people who think otherwise, and as long as you actually back up what you say. Jumping in and shouting "Kirk sucks!" is not an acceptable form of constructive criticism.

But I don't think that's the sort of thing you're referring to, is it?

I don't encourage bashing of any series—honestly, what's the point of that anyway? If you don't enjoy something, just don't watch, and leave those who do to enjoy it for themselves. However, if one of the series or one of the other movies comes up in discussion of a topic in this forum—and they will, from time to time—there's absolutely nothing wrong with a poster being critical of that other show or movie, as long as it has some relevance to the topic at hand.

As far as getting personal goes, everyone here knows I'm not in favor of it and if I see it happening will generally say something to discourage it. If you see it happening, best thing for you to do is to hit the Notify Moderator button on the post in question and someone will be along to have a look at it.

Now, if we can all get back to talking about Abrams Trek and the actors and production (which is what this forum is for) and not so much about what other fans do... that would be grand.

 

[TheSubCommander]

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