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Has the Red Angel moved the show out of the Prime Universe?
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There's no proof that there was ever a timeline when Michael really WAS killed in that manner. For all we know, the Red Angel - and everything it has done - was always part of the timeline. A classic predestination paradox.
The Angel might have had a vision of a possible timeline where the monster killed Michael, but this doesn't mean that timeline ever actually happened.
The red angel intervened in World War 3, long before even Enterprise or First Contact.
if this were true, then we would have to wonder if we were in a different time line every single time any member of Starfleet ever time traveled.
That would pre-suppose the future the Red Angel is from is the Prime Universe. It could be a similar situation to Mr. Daniels on Enterprise. In his original timeline, the Xindi never attacked Earth, and there was no subsequent conflict between Earth and the Xindi in the 22nd century. But rather than move Enterprise out of the Prime Universe, this simply proves that Daniels' timeline was not the Prime one. Theoretically, the same could be true of the Red Angel's timeline.
Honestly, I do not get this take, at all. Or I guess I just disagree with it.
That timeline NEVER HAPPENED in my view.
Michael would have died if the RA had not appeared to Spock & Spock went to his parents & his parents intervened. But all that happened. There is no timeline where it did.
Just like the Enterprise would have been destroyed in WoK if Spock hadn't gone and realigned the crystals. But he did. There is no timeline where it did happen.
That does not make everything after WoK non-prime timeline. Ditto Burnham not dying.
I enjoy stories involving shifting timelines and the like.
TPTB could, if they chose, have it that Discovery is in the prime timeline and TOS isn't. A lot of fans would hate that, and I doubt it would be done, but at this point I wouldn't mind it if it were done right. It's just entertainment; no one should treat it as if it were something sacred.
As I mentioned elsewhere, was Spock meant to survive, post-TWOK?
I think that with the Red Angel, the writers have come up with a decent mystery to keep things engaging. I hope that it plays out well and doesn't end up being a let-down in any way.
TPTB could, if they chose, have it that Discovery is in the prime timeline and TOS isn't. A lot of fans would hate that, and I doubt it would be done, but at this point I wouldn't mind it if it were done right. It's just entertainment; no one should treat it as if it were something sacred.
As I mentioned elsewhere, was Spock meant to survive, post-TWOK?
I think that with the Red Angel, the writers have come up with a decent mystery to keep things engaging. I hope that it plays out well and doesn't end up being a let-down in any way.
If you ask me, since circa 2009 fandom as a whole is much too obsessed with all this timeline nonsense. It‘s all ”Which timeline is this?“, ”This doesn‘t look like that universe“ and ”Is it Prime?“
At the end of the day, I just want good stories. Tell me a good story and I’ll be a happy camper.
There's no evidence for or against this.
Other than the events of 'The Cage' possibly happening identically.
Timeline? Timeline?! This is no time to worry about timelines. We haven’t got the time.
I literally just watched that scene two minutes ago!
This is my theory.
Like Enterprise's Temporal Cold War, they've explicitly said there have been changes to the timeline. Before the Red Angel, Michael died on Vulcan when she ran away from home.
Whether these changes had moved the show away from or to the Prime timeline, is up for debate. Perhaps later episodes will clarify.
CBS' idea of continuity is very, very loose. "If Memory Serves" is explicitly in the same continuity as the original version of "The Cage", so don't expect our level of scrutiny to ever be reflected officially.
Whether these changes had moved the show away from or to the Prime timeline, is up for debate. Perhaps later episodes will clarify.
CBS' idea of continuity is very, very loose. "If Memory Serves" is explicitly in the same continuity as the original version of "The Cage", so don't expect our level of scrutiny to ever be reflected officially.
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Yep.
If you ask me, since circa 2009 fandom as a whole is much too obsessed with all this timeline nonsense. It‘s all ”Which timeline is this?“, ”This doesn‘t look like that universe“ and ”Is it Prime?“
Yep.
Thoughts. Hm. "Shengu"..."Shenzhen"...good ol' "Suru"...and now our heroine, "Mitchel."
Sorry, but......for someone with a burning desire to share top secret, behind-the-scenes info, we seem to have an issue with the most basic details.
Thoughts.
Lol. Loser
I heard a true rumour somewhere that in the season finale, Suru and Mitchel are going to get holographic tattoos in the ward room, proving conclusively that DSC is set in the mirror-JJverse.
Hoity, my "autocorrect" is quite literally copy-and-pasting spellings from your posts.
Who is Mitchel?
The impression I got was “Burnham getting killed” and “Earth getting destroyed” were premonition visions Spock received from RA as possible futures, not actual events that got reversed.
"Mitchel" or the Red Angel should travel back in time to discover what made you so bitter
You called her Mitchel in the first post, friend. I'm not bitter, I'm amused. This isn't the first forum that's ever been trolled by someone with faux "inside info." I think it's funny.
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