Has the Red Angel moved the show out of the Prime Universe?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Hoity Toity, Mar 14, 2019.

  1. Hoity Toity

    Hoity Toity Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Just an idea... The writers said that since before season 1 started that it was in the prime universe.. but..

    Since it seems Mitchel was killed on Vulcan as a small child by some beastie and only lived because the Red Angel from the future helped to change things.

    Did that shift the whole timeline from that point forward?

    This might explain why Spock never spoke of his sister in any other series (cuz she's long dead).

    Also Michael was partly responsible for getting the spore drive running by using the tardigrade. Without her it might never have been fully realized which could be another reason it's not in any other series.

    OR... is every show we have ever seen to date because of the actions of the red angel. So essentially we are seeing how the prime universe started and we have never seen the universe in which Michael died as a child and all the following consequences.

    There are a million other examples which I am sure you can think of to help or go against this though.

    Thoughts?
     
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  2. Mr. Laser Beam

    Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    There's no proof that there was ever a timeline when Michael really WAS killed in that manner. For all we know, the Red Angel - and everything it has done - was always part of the timeline. A classic predestination paradox.

    The Angel might have had a vision of a possible timeline where the monster killed Michael, but this doesn't mean that timeline ever actually happened.
     
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  3. Yistaan

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    The red angel intervened in World War 3, long before even Enterprise or First Contact.
     
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  4. Turtletrekker

    Turtletrekker Admiral Admiral

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    if this were true, then we would have to wonder if we were in a different time line every single time any member of Starfleet ever time traveled.
     
  5. The Wormhole

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    That would pre-suppose the future the Red Angel is from is the Prime Universe. It could be a similar situation to Mr. Daniels on Enterprise. In his original timeline, the Xindi never attacked Earth, and there was no subsequent conflict between Earth and the Xindi in the 22nd century. But rather than move Enterprise out of the Prime Universe, this simply proves that Daniels' timeline was not the Prime one. Theoretically, the same could be true of the Red Angel's timeline.
     
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  6. BillJ

    BillJ History’s Greatest Monster Premium Member

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    I already see it as an alternate timeline. :shrug:
     
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  7. Uhura's Song

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    Honestly, I do not get this take, at all. Or I guess I just disagree with it.

    That timeline NEVER HAPPENED in my view.

    Michael would have died if the RA had not appeared to Spock & Spock went to his parents & his parents intervened. But all that happened. There is no timeline where it did.

    Just like the Enterprise would have been destroyed in WoK if Spock hadn't gone and realigned the crystals. But he did. There is no timeline where it did happen.

    That does not make everything after WoK non-prime timeline. Ditto Burnham not dying.
     
  8. TrickyDickie

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    I enjoy stories involving shifting timelines and the like.

    TPTB could, if they chose, have it that Discovery is in the prime timeline and TOS isn't. A lot of fans would hate that, and I doubt it would be done, but at this point I wouldn't mind it if it were done right. It's just entertainment; no one should treat it as if it were something sacred.

    As I mentioned elsewhere, was Spock meant to survive, post-TWOK?

    I think that with the Red Angel, the writers have come up with a decent mystery to keep things engaging. I hope that it plays out well and doesn't end up being a let-down in any way.
     
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  9. Michael

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    If you ask me, since circa 2009 fandom as a whole is much too obsessed with all this timeline nonsense. It‘s all ”Which timeline is this?“, ”This doesn‘t look like that universe“ and ”Is it Prime?“ :rolleyes:
     
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  10. BillJ

    BillJ History’s Greatest Monster Premium Member

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    At the end of the day, I just want good stories. Tell me a good story and I’ll be a happy camper.
     
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  11. Ovation

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    Timeline? Timeline?! This is no time to worry about timelines. We haven’t got the time. :whistle:
     
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  12. Tuskin38

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    There's no evidence for or against this.

    Other than the events of 'The Cage' possibly happening identically.
     
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  13. BillJ

    BillJ History’s Greatest Monster Premium Member

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    I literally just watched that scene two minutes ago! :lol:
     
  14. Tuskin38

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    This is my theory.
     
  15. King Daniel Beyond

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    Like Enterprise's Temporal Cold War, they've explicitly said there have been changes to the timeline. Before the Red Angel, Michael died on Vulcan when she ran away from home.

    Whether these changes had moved the show away from or to the Prime timeline, is up for debate. Perhaps later episodes will clarify.

    CBS' idea of continuity is very, very loose. "If Memory Serves" is explicitly in the same continuity as the original version of "The Cage", so don't expect our level of scrutiny to ever be reflected officially.
     
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  16. Vger23

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    Yep.

    Yep.
     
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  17. Ravenswood

    Ravenswood Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    Thoughts. Hm. "Shengu"..."Shenzhen"...good ol' "Suru"...and now our heroine, "Mitchel."

    Sorry, but......for someone with a burning desire to share top secret, behind-the-scenes info, we seem to have an issue with the most basic details.

    Thoughts.
     
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  18. Hoity Toity

    Hoity Toity Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Lol. Loser :D
     
  19. Hoity Toity

    Hoity Toity Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I"m so picturing Ravenswood now... "Worst autocorrect EVER" :D

    Mod Edit: I don't know if ComicVine allows hotlinking or not, but since the image was being used to mock another poster, I'm removing it anyway.
     
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  20. Ravenswood

    Ravenswood Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    I heard a true rumour somewhere that in the season finale, Suru and Mitchel are going to get holographic tattoos in the ward room, proving conclusively that DSC is set in the mirror-JJverse.

    Hoity, my "autocorrect" is quite literally copy-and-pasting spellings from your posts.
     
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