Has the Origins of Human Life on Earth Been Discovered?

Discussion in 'Science and Technology' started by Dryson, Aug 17, 2021.

  1. oldtrekkie

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    One possibility would be to create new universes and draw energy from those.
     
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    I like that this thread has gone from a silly premise on the origin of life to a truly long scale discussion of the end of everything
     
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    Well, if you're effectively a god, you can do what you want. I have no idea how to create new universes nor how to access them and mine them for energy - but then I'm not a god. One might as well go and live in them - again no clue how to do that. We don't have any Grand Unified Theory that tells us what we can or cannot do to manipulate space-time using quantum mechanics or vice versa. If we could do that, we'd be the Q continuum.
     
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    Well, according to Stephan Hawking the creation of a universe requires no energy. So once we'll find the method we'll be able to create as many as needed and use them as sources of energy (even though that sounds paradoxical).
     
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    Perhaps, but would we use that power responsibly? What you describe sound like ZPE devices, so effectively, perpetual motion machines. One has to take care when breaking symmetries - if someone triggered a vacuum-phase transition, bang goes our universe.
     
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    Well, if it's a choice between that and living in a stone-cold universe where energy is as rare as water in the Sahara desert then I am guessing "our descendants" will choose the former.
     
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    Living in a simulation, one can turn down the clock rate in the real universe while not experiencing the slow down in the simulation. Ticks might eventually be eons apart judged in our time frame. As you say, maybe there's another way to escape that fate. Roger Penrose thinks another universe will spring into existence anyway - conformal cyclic cosmology. Perhaps there are ways to tweak the probabilities.
     
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    Well, I've heard that Dark energy is a destructive force that will eventually destroy all matter in our universe and turn it into separate particles that will move further and further apart until there's like one particle every light year. You'll have to be extremely skilled to run a simulation on that.
     
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    The latest results are starting to pour cold water on dark energy. It seems there have been systematic errors made in the establishment of distance scales and the cosmos might not be as isotropic as is usually assumed to make the equations more tractable.
     
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    A universe not isotropic! That's the first I've heard of that.
     
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    Another question is, did we get our water from the Moons orbiting Jupiter?

    Ganymede has more than Earth has but is smaller, diameter wise, than Earth is.

    Could Ganymede have had an orbital path that made it collide with the Earth and after the collision, spun into Jupiter's gravity?
     
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    Hydrogen and oxygen are the most common and third most common elements in the universe. Water is ubiquitous. One does not need to contrive extraordinarily bizarre events to end up with the Earth having water. It's possible that the collision with Theia that formed the Moon also delivered the water or that the water came from comets but no-one is really sure. Clays are also invoked by some theories as an essential ingredient in getting life going. Knowing when the first clays formed on earth would help narrow down the timing.

    How Did Water Get on Earth? - Scientific American
    Clay may have been birthplace of life on Earth, new study suggests -- ScienceDaily
     
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    After you meet Apollo, Zefram Cochran, and evil versions of yourself, you probably start taking these things in stride.
     
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    One of the most important foreign elements in the human body is gold. The average human body has 0.2 of milligrams of gold in our body.

    Gold is responsible for the donut shape of our red blood cells. Without gold our red cells wouldn't have formed into donut shapes.

    There is something important about a donut shaped red blood cell and how gravity effects the formation of oxygen carrying cells that without gold, the cells might not form properly to carry oxygen.

    If we track all life on Earth both now and in the past we can see how much gold came to the Earth from an exploding Super Nova.

    We can also track when gold started to cause possible evolutionary changes in life on Earth

    The exploding Super Nova would have sent gold atoms in all directions where the gold in the Super Nova would have spread out across a very large region of space.

    As the wave is spreading out, the wave would have encountered other Planets, asteroids and large as, pickles in da room, ice chunks.

    So for life to exist in the Universe, as we know it, gold, water, and oxygen and carbon must be present, as gold seems to be a bonding element within red blood cells that interacts with gravity to create donut shapes red blood cells.

    We can be certain that gold would exist in the Oort Cloud, embedded in ice chunks and asteroids and even comets.

    Tracking the flight path of the foreign objects with gold in them will pinpoint the exact location of where the Super Nova is located that exploded and sent gold to Earth during the middle or late molten stage of the Earth.

    Then we could create potential paths of gold influences on other regions of space around the Super Nova where life might potentially be located.

    Gold is a key, it's one of the reasons why some religions promote the 'Golden Calf as being evil.

    The Golden Calf is a vessel or guide stone to finding life in the Universe or at least other Planets with gold on them.

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    Gold is not a necessary trace element for any biological system - it isn't used as the cofactor in any protein or enzyme as far as I'm aware. Tungsten, another 5d-orbital series, D-block element, is present in some bacterial enzymes but not in eukaryote-produced ones. I believe Tungsten is the biologically active element farthest up the periodic table at Z=74, gold is at Z=79.

    Gold nanoparticles might potentially be able to damage DNA in mammalian cells.

    Scientific Opinion on the re‐evaluation of gold (E 175) as a food additive - - 2016 - EFSA Journal - Wiley Online Library
     
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    Shush, we mustn't let pesky facts get in the way of fantasy.
     
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    It's goooold!!!

     
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