Well, he's not really gay, you know.
Has George Samuel Kirk been Chucked?
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No, it wasn't. First off, I've never heard of the event you're claiming. Unless you can provide evidentiary support, it's only hearsay, and I'm not going to believe it trumps all the hard evidence just because one person on a BBS claims it's true. I've been a Trek fan since 1974 and I never, ever heard the name "Hikaru" mentioned until The Entropy Effect, nor have I ever heard anyone besides yourself making the allegation that it existed before then.
If Takei did say such a thing in 1990, it's easy to explain. Human beings are fallible, especially actors who are tired and jet-lagged from making the convention circuit. People misremember things and get confused about where they heard things. This is why hearsay is not valid proof of anything.
Now, if you could demonstrate that Takei had stated this before McIntyre's novel came out, that would be proof that the name predated the novel. But since you cite 1990 as the date it occured, then at most it proves that Takei believed he'd heard the name used before McIntyre's novel. And since you've provided no source or documentation for your anecdote, it's pure hearsay and doesn't prove anything whatsoever.
Besides, you claimed that the name Hikaru appeared in the series bible, and I actually consulted the series bible and confirmed that it does not appear. You were unquestionably wrong about that point. Now you're making an entirely different claim that I can neither confirm or refute because you've offered no documentation. Given that the documentation conclusively disproved your original claim, you'll forgive me for being skeptical about this new one.
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Nah, it must be settled in the traditional Vulcan way!
Koon-ut-kal-if-fee!!!
"Bring fort... de ahn-woon!"
Ah Celia Lovsky, God bless you.
ST-One
Vice Admiral
Nah, it must be settled in the traditional Vulcan way!
Koon-ut-kal-if-fee!!!
"Bring fort... de ahn-woon!"
Ah Celia Lovsky, God bless you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX3KsHDZ1sE
Umm. No. It's definitely not in GR's series bible.
"Penda" was agreed to by Nichols when she was approached by a group of fans in the 70s. She also agreed to "Nyota", when approached by William Rotsler. It's not moot because both Rotsler and Nichols have discussed it in "Starlog" interviews.
Similarly, Takei approved "Walter" Sulu before he took a liking to "Hikaru".
IIRC, there was a group of early Takei/Sulu fans who ran a group called "Hosato", and I believe that was Takei's original suggestion for a Sulu first name in the 70s. It also his name for the Sulu analog in Takei's SF novel, "Mirror Friend, Mirror Foe", with Robert Aspirin.
I also recall that Takei was proudly telling fans, in the lead-up to ST VI (in 1991), that McIntyre's name for Sulu, "Hikaru", would finally become canon. And Sulu would be a Starfleet captain at last.
My late FIL was always known by his middle name, as both his father and grandfather (3 generations) had the same first name. I didn't know what his first name was for a long time. Likewise, my brother is referred to in the family by his middle name, as he shares his first name with my dad.
Logical.So, Nyota Penda Uhura and Hikaru Walter Sulu?
I can't quote a source, but I seem to recall Uhura's name being suggested as Upenda, but I could be entirely wrong.
As to brother George, a strange thought occurred to me the other night.
Eh? Whadya think?
As to brother George, a strange thought occurred to me the other night.
What if the child born to the Kirk's was in fact their first, and only child. And under the extreme duress of the Narada's attack, he is named Jim instead of George. This would explain the change in eye color for one thing.
So it just so happens that we are watching the adventures of Captain George Samuel Kirk, who in this timeline has no younger brother, no wife and child, and just happens to have been named James T. due to a sudden change in the timeline?!?
So it just so happens that we are watching the adventures of Captain George Samuel Kirk, who in this timeline has no younger brother, no wife and child, and just happens to have been named James T. due to a sudden change in the timeline?!?
Eh? Whadya think?
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Goddamn it, I like that--though it does lead to some questions regarding his age...
Both forms have been proposed in fandom, and from what I can find online, Nichelle Nichols has acknowledged both at different times, first as Uhura's first name, then as her middle name after Rotsler's coinage of Nyota caught on (though Nichols mispronounced "Nyota" the one time I heard her say it, rhyming it with "iota" when it's actually closer to how Quinto pronounced it in the movie, albeit two syllables instead of three). "Penda" is the root form of the Swahili verb for "to love," and the "u-" prefix seems to be used to form a noun. But the Swahili word for "love" as a noun is penzi, so I'm not sure if "Upenda" is a valid formation.
Doesn't work. The stardates in the film were essentially the Gregorian calendar years followed by a decimal. The Kelvin attack was in 2233, which is the same year Jim Kirk was born. The bulk of the film was in 2258.
Also, remember, Spock Prime recognized Kirk on sight. We see a different actor, but in-universe, Kirk still looks exactly the same as he did before (and so do Scotty, whom Spock Prime also recognized on sight, and Spock himself, whose biometrics were recognized by the Vulcan ship's computer). So it's the same individual genetically. It's not his older brother. (And yes, I'm aware that "Sam" in "Operation: Annihilate" was just Shatner with a moustache and grey temples. But I don't think that was meant to be taken with slavish literalness any more than the recasting of the actors in this movie is meant to be taken as a literal change in appearance.)
Although, I chuckled at Alan Dean Foster's little joke on this subject in his adaptation.
Nah, it must be settled in the traditional Vulcan way!
Koon-ut-kal-if-fee!!!
"Bring fort... de ahn-woon!"
Ah Celia Lovsky, God bless you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX3KsHDZ1sE
And that is why Cable Guy is a cinematic masterpiece!
Works for me. And like a lot of other people here, I also thought Jim called him "George."
Every time I read that name, I think of Uhura on the floor with her bare ass sticking up: Up Enda.
Even through the pronunciation is totally different, right?
And "Penda" always comes to mind as Panda to me. Hideous name suggestions. Freaking fans...
Nah, if Chekov can be 17 when Kirk is like 22ish or something, then Sam can exist even with your math. I mean Chekov is like 12 years younger than Kirk, according to Who Mourns for Adonias?.
And, also, an interesting question of why Spock prime recognized young Jim as Jim if he isn't. But I do agree it is a neat idea.
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