Spoilers Godzilla vs. Kong release thread

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  1. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

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    As I've said before, the difference is that if a city is destroyed in a Godzilla movie, the title character is succeeding at his job, whereas if a city is destroyed in a Superman movie, the title character is failing at his job.
     
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  2. captainkirk

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  3. USS Fardell

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    20. Godzilla vs Kong
    The fourth film in the Legendary Monsterverse, although it does stand alone. Sequel to Godzilla: King of the Monsters and Kong: Skull Island. Godzilla and Kong are on a collision course after the machinations of humans cause trouble. This was a good film, better than the predecessor films, in that there isn’t constant cutting away from the Kaiju battles. Some of the human motivations are obscure, but that is only a minor quibble. 8.35/10.
     
  4. captainkirk

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    After giving the human plots some thought, I feel that the entire story with Madison and friends could have been dropped and the screentime given to Ren Serizawa to actually give him a reason for existing. The idea of Serizawa's son working to build and control an artificial Godzilla with the aim of killing the creature his father gave his life to save is fascinating, but never touched on once in the entire movie. To me, that's a more compelling story than a trio of impossibly lucky characters bumbling around a top-secret facility.
     
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  5. JD

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    I wonder if he had a bigger role that was cut. It just seems kind of weird to introduce the character, but then not really acknowledge his relationship to his father, and not really do anything with him.
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  6. FreezeC77

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    https://news.yahoo.com/king-kong-tarzans-apes-appear-160000047.html

    An interesting theory/observation about how the Hollow Earth apes that Kong is from may have become the Mangani. The gorilla/chimpanzee types from the TARZAN stories.

    Edgar Rice Burroughs created Tarzan in 1913. In 1914 he came out with At the Earth's Core which dealt with a fictional hollow earth area called Pellucidar and during the course of the Tarzan later novels it is revealed the language of the 'apes' is actually from Pelludicar. Now obvously Burroughs didn't invent the hollow Earth idea. Jules Verne for one beat him there by 40 years and was pretty obviously an 'inspiration' if not copied for Burroughs ideas.

    Tarzan like most (all?) of Burroughs works falls into public domain so would be interesting to see that angle explored.

    One reason given for why the Tarzan apes are so much smaller than Kong is that it was the energy in the Hollow Earth that mutated them into enormous apes and perhaps where they settled in Africa their subsequent offspring did not turn into giant apes and the ones who were giant apes were not able to survive like Kong did. Perhaps some uniqueness of Skull Island.
     
  7. JD

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    That's an interesting idea.
     
  8. Kai "the spy"

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    The Asylum strikes again:
     
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  9. Redfern

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    Finally saw the flick Sunday. I saw that it was still playing at our local theater, so I asked a co-worker (and friend0 if he thought it was worth taking the risk to see it. I should clarify I had the second of my two Pfizer Covid shots a month ago. Far from dissuading me, he replied, "I'll join you!" (Funny, but I didn't perceive him a Godzilla fan...until that text exchange.)

    We met Thursday only to discover the movie house is closed 3 days of the week, Monday, Wednesday and Thursday. "Fandango" led us to believe it was open every day. But the trip wasn't really wasted as we "chewed the fat" for nearly two hours. It was so great to finally converse with a bud face to face since over a year's passing in job isolation (working from home). BTW, yes, he too has been vaccinated.

    So we agreed to try again Sunday, the first showing, 1:15 PM. That second attempt proved successful.

    I have to agree with what several posters here have stated. That "Pitch Meeting" video nailed it on the proverbial head! Plot holes large enough for both Goji AND Kong to walk through...side by side! But the "clash of titans" is the draw of these films and in that, it succeeded! I'll likely purchase the DVD to complete my "Monsterverse" collection, but it's one which I definitely fast forward past the "human drama" to enjoy the "wrasslin' matches".
     
  10. StCoop

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    After 15 months closed cinemas over here are finally open again and since this was the only thing that demanded the big screen experience I saw it today. (And even though I'm one shot down, one to go I was kind of glad I picked an early screening with barely anyone else there.)

    I enjoyed it as a spectacle but it was pretty clear to see the ways they changed it to try to make it more stand-alone. For example, if I hadn't read it beforehand I wouldn't have known that Shun Oguri's character is the son of Ken Watanabe's character from the previous films or that Mecha-Godzilla is possessed by Gidorah's spirit rather than just magically becoming alive.

    Lance Reddick gets cut out almost completely despite being in the opening credits and Zhang Ziyi got cut entirely.

    I'm also sure I say some photos of Millie Bobby Brown and Kaylee Hottle shooting scenes together but in the released version the two groups of characters don't even know each other exists let alone interact.
     
  11. captainkirk

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    There are also behind-the-scenes photos of Skarsgard filming in a rocky shore location with a crashed HEAV in the background. Since it doesn't seem like it could fit anywhere in the theatrical version of the movie, I'm assuming it was part of a plot point abandoned in reshoots. I still need to get hold of the novelization at some point. My understanding is that it adds a lot more to Ren Serizawa as well as lore about the ancient war between the Kongs and the Gojiras.