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Give me some reasons to like Nero.

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I've stated in another thread that I found the main villain's rationale for attacking Vulcan and Earth to be utterly ridiculous, bad writing in general.

Buuut there was enough of the movie that I enjoyed, so I plan on seeing it again with a more "positive" mindset.

Give me some reasons why you thought Nero was anything resembling a decently written character, and I'll try and take it into account for my next viewing.
 
I thought he was a perfect example of why Vulcans adopted logic.

He had undergone great trauma; his home planet and the lives of his family have been destroyed, despite promises by Spock. He suddenly finds himself in the past, but because of the anger, he wants revenge. He could have accomplished so much more by destroying Vulcan upon arrival and giving advanced technology to the Romulan's, including the way to destroy the Hobus star before it became supernova.

But that's not what Nero's about. Nero's about revenge for the loss he has taken. He's even willing to wait a few decades to get Spock Prime to watch. His anger (and his other emotions, presumable) runs so deep, he cannot think strait for 25 (or was it 35?) years. That's a long time to keep your anger bottled up.

As a character he isn't deep; it's a standard 'revenge'-nemesis. But it does work, somewhat. Better then if he were the standard 'plotting' Romulan.

You might like him more if he had more scenes. I sure think so. But I'll imagine those scenes; for the rest of the movie is too good to pass up.
 
Better then if he were the standard 'plotting' Romulan.

But the plotting Romulan at least has a clear motive and reasoning behind his scheming. :(

They should have made Nero psychotic. At least give him a twitch or something. Even Lore had a good crazy-twitch.

Sorry! Sorry! Gotta think Positive!

Nero was good cause........ cause....... uh....
 
Nero wasn't as good as the Joker in the last Batman movie, but God, who is? The Joker made that movie, take out the Joker and the whole movie would've been a giant snooze fest.

Nero was just right. I went to see Spock and Kirk and that's what I got.
 
Nero loved his family very much.

Yes, he did; reading "Countdown" ahead of time did help. It has his family in it and his rationale. Most people don't need any more than just a villain, but if you do -- I would suggest getting the trade paperback of the comics.

"Hi Christopher, I'm Nero."

I think that says it all.
I loved that. For some reason, he really reminded me of Bill Murray in Ghostbusters.

And another reason to love Nero is the Narada. Eric Bana loved "his" set. He said "my set went on forever!" It was apparently huge. He felt rather posessive of it, it sounds like. They did a great job on it. It was a mining ship, and had that same kind of gravitas as one of those big Caterpillar mining outfits.

I loved Eric Bana since "Troy." He's a great talent.
 
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I've stated in another thread that I found the main villain's rationale for attacking Vulcan and Earth to be utterly ridiculous, bad writing in general.

Buuut there was enough of the movie that I enjoyed, so I plan on seeing it again with a more "positive" mindset.

Give me some reasons why you thought Nero was anything resembling a decently written character, and I'll try and take it into account for my next viewing.

When he went completely postal on Capt. Robau?!?
 
Nero wasn't as good as the Joker in the last Batman movie, but God, who is? The Joker made that movie, take out the Joker and the whole movie would've been a giant snooze fest.

Nero was just right. I went to see Spock and Kirk and that's what I got.
True. The Joker made Dark Knight, but a great villain is a mandatory part of a great dramatic plot. Try taking Khan out of Wrath of Khan (ok, maybe a bad example given that it would affect the title too... but you know what I mean).

In this case, I didn't like Nero that much and taking him out wouldn't have change much. Hell, it probably would have worked with Shinzon. Ok, maybe not. Let's say his tatoos were cool.
 
"Hi Christopher, I'm Nero."

I think that says it all. :D

Seconded. He had a way of making the silliest things look cool. His attitude was so non-cliche-villain-like I fell in love with him that very moment. No tedious, melodramatic, over-the-top monologues and megalomania. No "mwahaha, I'll expose you to my nefarious plan while using as many adjectives as possible to make me look good".

That being said....


AAARGH!

And then people accuse me of dragging Khan into the discussion. That's exactly what I meant: they're both sort of the same, yet some people like one and not the other.... like me. I like Nero. :D

He's cool, he's got a cool attitude, he wears cool clothes, and he's cute. He's good enough to move the plot forward. Sure, I'd like to see more of him, but I'm happy with what I got.
 
I much prefer an understated villain like Nero. When he flipped and went homicidal maniac on Robau, it was much more chilling and effective than if he had been screaming and flexing his strength from the first moment.

Do we truly understand his motivation - not really. But look at the headlines every day - do we truly understand what motivates those who decide to shoot an Amish school full of children or anyone who walks by on a college campus, or a serial bomber who sends mail bombs for decades, or terrorists who fly planes into buildings. Surely they are not wreaking their vengeance on the original source of their pain, any more than Nero can logically blame anyone for the death of his family or his planet. But his pain, and his psyche, demands payment, therefore he chooses the best candidate in his eyes - Spock. In the first days after my son's death, I entertained wishes of tearing his girlfriend to shreds. Although she didn't kill him, she had culpability, and I wanted revenge - grief does that to you, you know - you don't think straight every moment. Of course, I never even came close to even being unkind to her, let alone hurting her in any way, but I certainly get that part of Nero's story. And it is not unusual for such pain to fester for years and get stronger and more unreasonable, as happened to Nero. And we are talking about a Romulan here, after all.

We like all our dots connected in stories and want all the facts out there. But sometimes characters are more interesting if it's not all there and you have to think about what they're doing and thinking and what's motivating them. I have read enough times this week that Star Trek should make you think - well here's your chance. Think like a profiler (they many times have no info about a criminal) and get into Nero's psyche.

I totally agree that Nero's friendliness and ordinariness was totally awesome - "Hi, Christopher. I'm Nero."
 
I can't stop quoting him and I think I'll be Nero for Halloween this year. I loved Eric Bana's performance, sure we could have used some more back story but I love what we did get.

"I want Spock dead Now!"
 
a great villain is a mandatory part of a great dramatic plot.
Not necessarily. There was no real villain in THE VOYAGE HOME.

Nero is sort of like the alien probe in TVH. The movie's not really about him; he's just a plot device to set in motion the real plot of the movie: how the original Enterprise crew came together. The movie is about Kirk and Spock finding their place in the world. Nero is just the macguffin.

Granted, he had some good moments . . . .
 
I know this sounds strange, but I think Nero had some respect for his opponents, at least the ones that weren't Spock. I don't think he wanted to torture Pike, he just needed his info.
 
"Hi Christopher, I'm Nero."

I think that says it all. :D

Hi Christopher, I'm Nero. I'll be your super villain for the duration of this film. We've got a lot in store for you. There will be kidnapping, torture, genocide, and a few surprises. Don't want to reveal everything. So just sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride we've cooked up for you. Okay?
 
I know this sounds strange, but I think Nero had some respect for his opponents, at least the ones that weren't Spock. I don't think he wanted to torture Pike, he just needed his info.

I kinda picked up on that myself. I think Nero wasn't meant to be a villain that we actually absolutely hated but more one we saw in shades. He wasn't evil, he was a man who had one really bad day and it warped his mind.
 
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