Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D
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I doubt that the terms of her contract actually said 'I shall not appear nude in Playboy", more likely the contract said something like "I will behave in an appropriate manner".
Many of us would say that posing nude in Playboy is not inappropriate at all.
I doubt that the terms of her contract actually said 'I shall not appear nude in Playboy", more likely the contract said something like "I will behave in an appropriate manner".
Many of us would say that posing nude in Playboy is not inappropriate at all.
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Well, yeah, since many have already. But that has no bearing on her contract thankfully.
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We would have to know what her contract said to know if it had any bearing on her contract. If her contract said she wasn't to engage in inappropriate behaviour and most of society does not see posing nude in Playboy as wrong than they shouldn't fire her. In this day and age I would hope that a woman posing in the nude is not seen as wrong especially as it is done so often in movies etc.
If the school had discovered that she was posing nude in front of a university art class would that be good enough reason to fire her?
We would have to know what her contract said to know if it had any bearing on her contract. If her contract said she wasn't to engage in inappropriate behaviour and most of society does not see posing nude in Playboy as wrong than they shouldn't fire her. In this day and age I would hope that a woman posing in the nude is not seen as wrong especially as it is done so often in movies etc.
If the school had discovered that she was posing nude in front of a university art class would that be good enough reason to fire her?
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As you said we don't know the specific wording of the contract so we don't really know if it would.
As you said we don't know the specific wording of the contract so we don't really know if it would.
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But harm is not just physical harm. Mental, emotional or spiritual harm are just as real, if sometimes less obvious. You can not with a straight face tell me that exposing yourself to satisfy the lusts of men the world over does not take something out of you, does not leave you less than you were and does not put you in less control than you had before. Some women (and men) say that it leaves them feeling empowered or free in some way.
But in reality they kid themselves as Cain did after slaying Abel, that he found the secret, that he could kill and get gain, kill and be free.
Playboy is not murder, don't get me wrong, I am not comparing the two, but I am comparing the attitude towards it: that often in doing something wrong we convince ourselves that we are somehow freer or better for having done the thing.
But harm is not just physical harm. Mental, emotional or spiritual harm are just as real, if sometimes less obvious. You can not with a straight face tell me that exposing yourself to satisfy the lusts of men the world over does not take something out of you, does not leave you less than you were and does not put you in less control than you had before. Some women (and men) say that it leaves them feeling empowered or free in some way.
But in reality they kid themselves as Cain did after slaying Abel, that he found the secret, that he could kill and get gain, kill and be free.
Playboy is not murder, don't get me wrong, I am not comparing the two, but I am comparing the attitude towards it: that often in doing something wrong we convince ourselves that we are somehow freer or better for having done the thing.
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Some men lust after girls in school uniforms, other lust after women wearing little black dresses, or even women wearing nun's habits. Should women stop wearing such clothes just because they cause some men to lust?
I think there is nothing wrong with tasteful nudity. Today, of a man really wants to lust after a naked woman he is going to pick a magazine that is raunchier than Playboy.
Some men lust after girls in school uniforms, other lust after women wearing little black dresses, or even women wearing nun's habits. Should women stop wearing such clothes just because they cause some men to lust?
I think there is nothing wrong with tasteful nudity. Today, of a man really wants to lust after a naked woman he is going to pick a magazine that is raunchier than Playboy.
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I think that from a child's perspective, there's a big difference between a one-time guest and someone they see and interact with every day.
I think that from a child's perspective, there's a big difference between a one-time guest and someone they see and interact with every day.
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Definitely. I would probably have a hard time learning from my teacher (especially if I was a teenager) if I knew they had posed nude.
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Then, frankly, I think that you have an unhealthy attitude to nudity. You must see it as being wrong rather than seeing it being natural.
When I have a conversation with Genevieve Picot - an actress I have meet on numerous occasions - the fact that she had a nude scene in a movie doesn't stop me from having an intelligent conversation with the woman and I have no doubt that if I had seen tasteful naked photos of a teacher it wouldn't stop me from learning (not even when I was a teenager).
Then, frankly, I think that you have an unhealthy attitude to nudity. You must see it as being wrong rather than seeing it being natural.
When I have a conversation with Genevieve Picot - an actress I have meet on numerous occasions - the fact that she had a nude scene in a movie doesn't stop me from having an intelligent conversation with the woman and I have no doubt that if I had seen tasteful naked photos of a teacher it wouldn't stop me from learning (not even when I was a teenager).
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My attitude now is just fine. I've even taken drawing classes with nude models and didn't have a problem at all.
But children have different mentalities, and something like nudity could very easily be a distraction.
You were obviously never a teenage boy.
My attitude now is just fine. I've even taken drawing classes with nude models and didn't have a problem at all.
But children have different mentalities, and something like nudity could very easily be a distraction.
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Two of Genevieve's nephews (who are also my nephews) saw her in the movie Proof when they were teenagers and it didn't have any sort of bad affect on them.
Two of Genevieve's nephews (who are also my nephews) saw her in the movie Proof when they were teenagers and it didn't have any sort of bad affect on them.
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Not to me they don't. I see no reason why teachers should be expected to behave any differently from the parents and other family members of the children they teach.
Not to me they don't. I see no reason why teachers should be expected to behave any differently from the parents and other family members of the children they teach.
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This reminds me of the wrong headed argument from some parents who say "since my child will get drunk anyway, I might as well invite all of his friends over to my house and then I can supervise the drinking...."
Just because they are going to do it anyway is no argument for its appropriateness.
This reminds me of the wrong headed argument from some parents who say "since my child will get drunk anyway, I might as well invite all of his friends over to my house and then I can supervise the drinking...."
Just because they are going to do it anyway is no argument for its appropriateness.
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Absolutely.
Completely agree.
What? Can I see some sort of proof of this because what you're saying is entirely bizarre.
Quite possible considering that nudists feel very much the same way.
How does this have anything to do with what the topic is?
Then you're comparing the two.
This is not such an instance.
Absolutely.
Completely agree.
What? Can I see some sort of proof of this because what you're saying is entirely bizarre.
Quite possible considering that nudists feel very much the same way.
How does this have anything to do with what the topic is?
Then you're comparing the two.
This is not such an instance.
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It's not on the same scale, and this principal might have decided he had no problem with it. The guest speaker wouldn't be as closely and directly tied to the school, nor would it have as close interactions with students and parents, so the same problems don't necessarily exist, but at the same time, guest speakers are often the source of seemingly pointless controversy, so it's no wonder that similar behavior from employees is prohibited.
Schools, businesses, charities, churches and other organizations all have a vested interest in the public conduct of individuals that are closely and directly linked to them. It's often legitimate and understandable -- I work with a couple of advocacy groups that have gotten into trouble because of the public conduct of their staff at protests. Sometimes, though, it isn't as clear cut as a public disturbance. In this case, the school's concern for its reputation motivates it to fire this teacher, not because of any particular problem of its own, but because enough people -- parents, politicians -- would or even could have a problem with a teacher posing in Playboy.
I don't personally have a problem with what she did, but I'm not a parent. This debate is really about whether concerns about the public appearance of prurient images is really worth all this fuss, and I don't think it is. But as long enough people disagree with me, schools and other organizations are going to make the same choice this principal did, and as far as they're concerned, that's the right choice to make.
Yeah, I agree. But for the same reason that the school would be worried about the impact of this teacher's public conduct, it's actually quite likely that they would not choose to have a certain guest speakers based on something that had done only once that really wasn't that problematic. You see things like that happen all the time, whether it be because of political statements or social activity, and it often doesn't matter if the source of the controversy has nothing to do with the would-be speakers' visit.
It's not on the same scale, and this principal might have decided he had no problem with it. The guest speaker wouldn't be as closely and directly tied to the school, nor would it have as close interactions with students and parents, so the same problems don't necessarily exist, but at the same time, guest speakers are often the source of seemingly pointless controversy, so it's no wonder that similar behavior from employees is prohibited.
Schools, businesses, charities, churches and other organizations all have a vested interest in the public conduct of individuals that are closely and directly linked to them. It's often legitimate and understandable -- I work with a couple of advocacy groups that have gotten into trouble because of the public conduct of their staff at protests. Sometimes, though, it isn't as clear cut as a public disturbance. In this case, the school's concern for its reputation motivates it to fire this teacher, not because of any particular problem of its own, but because enough people -- parents, politicians -- would or even could have a problem with a teacher posing in Playboy.
I don't personally have a problem with what she did, but I'm not a parent. This debate is really about whether concerns about the public appearance of prurient images is really worth all this fuss, and I don't think it is. But as long enough people disagree with me, schools and other organizations are going to make the same choice this principal did, and as far as they're concerned, that's the right choice to make.
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A woman posing naked isn't harming herself at all. Its is the men who are lusting, not the woman who is only posing for a photo.
Looking at a tasteful photo of a nude isn't going to harm a child. Seeing a woman naked isn't going to harm a child. The harm only comes if someone convinces a child that the naked body is obscene in some way and if this the case the harm comes, not from nudity, but from a puritanical attitude towards nudity.
In Denmark they have bare breasted women holding up signs trying to get people to slow down in their cars. Danish child are able to take this in their stride.
Alcohol, on the other hand, can harm a teenager.
Also, giving alcohol to minors is illegal, posing for Playboy is not.
A woman posing naked isn't harming herself at all. Its is the men who are lusting, not the woman who is only posing for a photo.
Looking at a tasteful photo of a nude isn't going to harm a child. Seeing a woman naked isn't going to harm a child. The harm only comes if someone convinces a child that the naked body is obscene in some way and if this the case the harm comes, not from nudity, but from a puritanical attitude towards nudity.
In Denmark they have bare breasted women holding up signs trying to get people to slow down in their cars. Danish child are able to take this in their stride.
Alcohol, on the other hand, can harm a teenager.
Also, giving alcohol to minors is illegal, posing for Playboy is not.
