Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D...

[Captain X]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

No, simply common decency especially when it comes to working with children. No religious right or secular left.

Speaking secularly, "common decency" is a moral opinion and pretty much everyone's opinion is going to be different. This goes back to the argument had a while ago about porn where it was pointed out that morality is relative depending on who you ask, and while some posters didn't like that fact, it doesn't change the fact that is the case.

We do know that it was enough to breach the contract since they did terminate her.

Actually, not really. We know that's what they're saying, but that's it.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

That's what this is all about.

No, simply common decency especially when it comes to working with children. No religious right or secular left.

Yes, confusing misogyny with common decency is definitely a religious issue.

I think this is the Thread about whether this cheerleading coach did something harmful enough to warrant termination. As you yourself said, we don't know what was in the contract, so it can't be about that.

We do know that it was enough to breach the contract since they did terminate her.

No, we don't know any such thing. We know that they used this as an excuse to fire her because they have a problem with a beautiful woman who doesn't have the "common decency" to be ashamed of herself.

 

[CaptainHawk1]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

I think what she does off the clock isn't reason to get fired unless it breaks the law (that's my immediate thought). What do you say?

Teachers have a code of conduct they're expected to follow when in public.

They're made aware of this when they're hired.

Playboy is most decidedly public.

She's an idiot.

+1

I have nothing more to add.

Everyone else's opinion on this is just plain ignorant.

 

[Squiggy]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

You're my new best friend.

 

[Thespeckledkiwi]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

You're my new best friend.

Be careful...he turns on friends quicker than a 5 dollar hooker.

 

[CaptainHawk1]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

You're my new best friend.

Be careful...he turns on friends quicker than a 5 dollar hooker.

Really, who? Keep talking shit.

Simply because I don't agree with someone doesn't mean I've turned on them.

There are a lot of things Squiggy says that I don't agree with but he's dead-on on this one.

 

[Captain X]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

Maybe you could try making an actual argument instead of just claiming everyone else is ignorant.

 

[CaptainHawk1]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

Maybe you could try making an actual argument instead of just claiming everyone else is ignorant.

No need to, Squiggy made it for me. There is no other argument and it's not a claim. Every other opinion that is in opposition to Squiggy's is ignorant on this issue. The facts are what they are, whether anyone likes them or not, whether anyone thinks they are fair or not.

It's an employment contract agreed to by the Teacher's Union and the School District. If she didn't like it to begin with, she didn't have to accept employment... period. She doesn't get to arbitrarily decide to change the terms of the employment contract.

As I said, no need for me to even make any further argument as all I'm doing is echoing what Squiggy already said.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

Everyone else's opinion on this is just plain ignorant.

Be careful...he turns on friends quicker than a 5 dollar hooker.

Really, who? Keep talking shit.

Stop, please. Thank you.

 

[Davros]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

Why do people still cling to the idiotic notion that there is something wrong or immoral about nudity?

 

[CaptainHawk1]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

Why do people still cling to the idiotic notion that there is something wrong or immoral about nudity?

It has nothing to do with the morality or immorality with nudity. It's a contract issue, nothing more. She knew what the consequences would be.

 

[Davros]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

Why do people still cling to the idiotic notion that there is something wrong or immoral about nudity?

It has nothing to do with the morality or immorality with nudity. It's a contract issue, nothing more. She knew what the consequences would be.

Did the contract mention posing nude?

 

[Lindley]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

Are we back on Page 3 again?

 

[Augustus]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

Are we back on Page 3 again?

Yeah, seems like it has been discussed from every angle.

 

[CaptainHawk1]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

Why do people still cling to the idiotic notion that there is something wrong or immoral about nudity?

It has nothing to do with the morality or immorality with nudity. It's a contract issue, nothing more. She knew what the consequences would be.

Did the contract mention posing nude?

Besides the fact that it might, it doesn't have to mention posing nude, specifically. It's an all inclusive as far as a code of conduct is concerned and it covers several different behaviors generally and it can and there isn't a chance in hell she could win if she fought this. They don't need to come up with a restriction on every possible specific behavior that may come up to make the contract valid. It's impossible.

 

[Captain X]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

Why do people still cling to the idiotic notion that there is something wrong or immoral about nudity?

It has nothing to do with the morality or immorality with nudity. It's a contract issue, nothing more. She knew what the consequences would be.

Isn't the contract issue supposed to be based on a morality clause?

 

[RJDiogenes]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

Exactly. So the issue is whether nudity is immoral-- which is a rather bizarre notion.

 

[Davros]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

Why do people still cling to the idiotic notion that there is something wrong or immoral about nudity?

It has nothing to do with the morality or immorality with nudity. It's a contract issue, nothing more. She knew what the consequences would be.

Isn't the contract issue supposed to be based on a morality clause?

And since nudity is NOT immoral, they had no grounds upon which to justify her being fired.

 

[Squiggy]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

It has nothing to do with the morality or immorality with nudity. It's a contract issue, nothing more. She knew what the consequences would be.

Isn't the contract issue supposed to be based on a morality clause?

And since nudity is NOT immoral, they had no grounds upon which to justify her being fired.

It's a subjective call.

 

[Noname Given]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

No, they shouldn't have fired her. She was not doing this on the job, it doesn't affect how she does her job, and it's just reflective of the usual moral bullshit the American people like to foist on others. This is as stupid as when the Air Force got rid of one of its best MTIs because she did a pictorial in Playboy. Well, almost as stupid, because the Air Force actually had to break its own rules to drum her out.

It does, however, reflect on the IMAGE of her job and thus on the integrity and image of the school. Would you want YOUR child's teacher to be an Playboy?

Honestl, who cares, as long as she does the job she was hired for competently? While I do realize Playboy makes it to the under 18 crowd (I was a young teen myself years ago - and pilfered a copy here and there back in the day); it not marketed to anyone under the U.S. age of consent; so I don't see how they legally have a leg to stand on in firing her.