Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D...

[CaptainHawk1]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

Why do people still cling to the idiotic notion that there is something wrong or immoral about nudity?

It has nothing to do with the morality or immorality with nudity. It's a contract issue, nothing more. She knew what the consequences would be.

Isn't the contract issue supposed to be based on a morality clause?

Exactly. So the issue is whether nudity is immoral-- which is a rather bizarre notion.

It has nothing to do with the morality or immorality with nudity. It's a contract issue, nothing more. She knew what the consequences would be.

Isn't the contract issue supposed to be based on a morality clause?

And since nudity is NOT immoral, they had no grounds upon which to justify her being fired.

First there is no indication that she was fired because of a morality clause. So even though it's par for the course here to represent speculation as fact, it doesn't make it so.

Second even if there was a morality clause, I can guarantee you that it would be worded to cover exactly this situation.

Beyond that, though, the standards of the community are decided by the community... not you. Whether you like it or not, that's the way it is. This is exactly why I said any other opinion other than Squiggy's is ignorant and I should have added irrelevant as well.

It's about a code of conduct/behavior that extends outside the classsroom and as Squiggy pointed out she was aware of it at the time of hire and agreed to the terms yet she blatantly violated those terms because she was more concerned about her modeling career than her job with the school district.

This is really kind of pointless. Why don't you come back to the argument after taking at least one class in Administrative Law, Contract Law and Employment Law?

 

[Davros]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

How did she violate the terms, if the terms do not mention posing nude?

 

[Lindley]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

No one here knows the contents of the contract. However, standard teacher contracts include terms which could be interpreted to require no such activity.

This has been said about 15 times in this thread.

 

[Miss Chicken]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

I think that it is ludicrous that, in this day and age, anyone would write up a contract that could be interpreted as meaning "nudity is immoral'. We are living in the 21st century not the 19th century.

 

[hyzmarca]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

Personally, if I was her, I'd just hire a good lawyer and sue the crap out of them to the point that they'd be forced to shut the entire school system down due to lack of funds.

 

[Miss Chicken]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

The woman in Australia is suing the Education Department over her firing. However I think she has a much stronger case than this woman does because in the Australian case her husband whop posed nude in the same photo, and was also a teacher working for the same Education Department, was not fired. Therefore the Australian teacher can say that she was fired because she was a woman.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

Beyond that, though, the standards of the community are decided by the community... not you. Whether you like it or not, that's the way it is. This is exactly why I said any other opinion other than Squiggy's is ignorant and I should have added irrelevant as well.

Nonsense. If that were true, then a community could decide that its standards excluded Black people or Democrats or anything else. There are higher laws than so-called "community standards."

 

[Davros]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

No one here knows the contents of the contract. However, standard teacher contracts include terms which could be interpreted to require no such activity.

This has been said about 15 times in this thread.

Unless it specifies posing nude, she did not violate the contract.

 

[Lindley]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

No one here knows the contents of the contract. However, standard teacher contracts include terms which could be interpreted to require no such activity.

This has been said about 15 times in this thread.

Unless it specifies posing nude, she did not violate the contract.

There's no way you can know that.

 

[TGTheodore]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

Gee .... what happens when the dog actually catches his tail?

--Ted

 

[Lumen]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

No one here knows the contents of the contract. However, standard teacher contracts include terms which could be interpreted to require no such activity.

This has been said about 15 times in this thread.

Unless it specifies posing nude, she did not violate the contract.

My guess would be that the contract mentioned something about "conduct likely to bring the school into disrepute" or "conduct inconsistent with the image of the school".

It's a subjective determination, yes, but it is absurd to suggest that contracts should include exhaustive lists of what is and is not acceptable (which is the only way to meet the burden you're setting out). They include broad provisions because you can't list every single thing and still have a contract short enough for humans to read. It's simply untrue that it would have to say "don't pose nude" for that to be prohibited. Maybe it said something as simple as "don't have unauthorized media contact".

 

[Augustus]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

I think that it is ludicrous that, in this day and age, anyone would write up a contract that could be interpreted as meaning "nudity is immoral'. We are living in the 21st century not the 19th century.

nudity isn't immoral by itself, if so how could we ever take showers or certain exams from a doctor??

it is the reason for the nudity that can make it immoral.

 

[Captain X]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

According to some people, anyway.

 

[Lindley]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

I don't think it's possible to argue that no situation involving nudity could possibly be immoral.

 

[Captain X]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

But we're not talking about just any situation, we're talking about her posing in Playboy. Some of you see that as immoral somehow. I see it as no more immoral than having the jailbait she was coaching get out there in front of the crowd and strut their stuff. Ironically I see it as more moral because there is not pretext.

 

[Lindley]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

Again: Doesn't matter how you see it. Or I, or any of us. It only matters how the parents of those girls and others at the school see it. If they didn't fire her, some of those parents might get it into their minds to sue, and they'd win. If they did, the teacher might get it into her mind to sue....but if the contract is worded carefully, she'd have a lot less of a leg to stand on, legally speaking, than the parents would.

The teacher made a choice, and that choice backed the school into a corner. I understand their decision. Hell, I even understand hers to a degree. There is no win-win here, so you have to settle for the legally safest option.

 

[TremblingBluStar]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

And here's her MySpace video blog if you want to hear what she sounds like.

My eardrums are bleeding!

 

[Augustus]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

I don't think it's possible to argue that no situation involving nudity could possibly be immoral.

yeah, That would be pretty hard

 

[Davros]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

No one here knows the contents of the contract. However, standard teacher contracts include terms which could be interpreted to require no such activity.

This has been said about 15 times in this thread.

Unless it specifies posing nude, she did not violate the contract.

There's no way you can know that.

Then what part of her terms of employment did she violate?

My guess would be that the contract mentioned something about "conduct likely to bring the school into disrepute" or "conduct inconsistent with the image of the school".

How would posing nude in Playboy do any of that?

 

[RJDiogenes]

Re: Give me an F, give me an I, give me a R, give me an E, give me a D

I don't think it's possible to argue that no situation involving nudity could possibly be immoral.

True. It is possible to commit murder while naked.