Girl Dies on Cold Walk; Dad Charged With Murder
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I wasn't criticizing you. I was merely mentioning how it was even worse out there than just 20-degree weather. It's hard to imagine having to walk 10 miles in those sorts of conditions.
It's hard just walking 500feet to my car in those conditions.
Even in the best of weather I would never expect any child of 11 and 12 to walk ten miles by themselves especially as it seems that in this case it was aleady late in the day.
Regardless of weather I wouldn't expect a fully grown ADULT to walk 10 miles.
I mean, that's one hell of a distance!
It'd take the average person in ideal conditions the better part of 4 hours to walk that!
A child? In the snow? Double that. At least.
When I was an 11 year old I walked 20 miles (32 kilometres) in a walkathon to raise money for UNICEF. My 13 year old sister accompanied me. We started the walk at about 9 in the morning and walked for hours.
About 2 miles from the end we passed my aunt's house. My aunt had patiently waited outside for us to come along with some little cakes she had made. We were almost ready to give up at that point but my aunt's encouragement spurred us on.
Our feet were blistered, we were exhausted, we we practically the last in but we were so proud that we had not given up like many other people did. We arrived at the end at about 4.45 pm.
Ummm....why couldn't the children stay in the car with him if he had a cell phone to call somebody to come help him? 
Hikers regularly walk that far in a day and more. It's exhausting, but common. When I was on my high school cross-country team, we sometimes jogged eight or nine miles at a time to practice.
Of course we did it in snowless sunny southern California; I'm not defending the guy in the article.
I think this guy is an incredible moron and shouldn't be in the care of children ever again, but murder is a little over the top.
Whatever sentence he gets should also include a FORCED vasectomy; people proven criminally stupid and incapable o good judgement SHOULD NOT be allowed to make another such mistake.
Again, as folks have said, they have walked that distance in snowy conditions, but it appears this was a heavy snowfall; and from the description the kids were in pajamas with coats on (probably because they NEVER expected to be walking in snow. Also, the fact that AFTER he frees the truck, he just drives home?
Sorry, no leneancy for someone so CRIMINALLY retarded.
Again, as folks have said, they have walked that distance in snowy conditions, but it appears this was a heavy snowfall; and from the description the kids were in pajamas with coats on (probably because they NEVER expected to be walking in snow. Also, the fact that AFTER he frees the truck, he just drives home?
Sorry, no leneancy for someone so CRIMINALLY retarded.
On the clothes thing:
It was said that the boy had discarded his other clothes.
Stage 1 hypothermia has in it the sensation of warmth which can result in paradoxial undressing. The same thing happened to TechTV personality James Kim.
It was said that the boy had discarded his other clothes.
Stage 1 hypothermia has in it the sensation of warmth which can result in paradoxial undressing. The same thing happened to TechTV personality James Kim.
One of the saddest thing about this is that the brother is probably going to feel a lot of guilt even though he wasn't to blame.
I know a guy who left a gate open when he was 12 and as a result his 2 year old brother wandered away and drowned in the nearby river. More than 30 years later the guy committed suicide by drowning himself. I have a feeling he decided on that method because of guilt he felt over his brother's death.
I know a guy who left a gate open when he was 12 and as a result his 2 year old brother wandered away and drowned in the nearby river. More than 30 years later the guy committed suicide by drowning himself. I have a feeling he decided on that method because of guilt he felt over his brother's death.
And if the little girl had managed to walk all the way back to where her dad was supposed to be, she wouldn't have found him because he'd turned back home. How rotten.
On an evening you hadn't expected to be walking at all, to suddenly have to walk 10 miles in snow and cold to get home ... really sucks. They might even be hungry too.
On an evening you hadn't expected to be walking at all, to suddenly have to walk 10 miles in snow and cold to get home ... really sucks. They might even be hungry too.
When I was little I was left by a near frozen stream in the Colorado mountains while my dad was hunting for a christmas tree. I don't think he gauged the temp or how long it would take him to get back to me wisely enough, but he was gone for what seemed like over an hour. I eventually stripped off my coat and sat on it, took off my socks and shoes and sat in a half-lotus position...feeling oddly warm. It is interesting, looking back, why I was compelled to do it. Our brains are so baffling. My dad flipped out when he got back and hurried me back to the car; as we were struggling back through the snow, I felt like I was walking on stubs, very scary. It took a long time and a lot of painful pins and needles before my extremities were back to normal.
I have a heightened sensitivity of cold in my fingers and toes and they go numb extremely quickly; I'm sure it is related to the incident.
I was lucky I didn't wander off from where he left me; it could have been a lot worse.
My heart goes out to the son, and I can't imagine how awful it was for the little girl, being all alone like that.
When I was little I was left by a near frozen stream in the Colorado mountains while my dad was hunting for a christmas tree. I don't think he gauged the temp or how long it would take him to get back to me wisely enough, but he was gone for what seemed like over an hour. I eventually stripped off my coat and sat on it, took off my socks and shoes and sat in a half-lotus position...feeling oddly warm. It is interesting, looking back, why I was compelled to do it. Our brains are so baffling. My dad flipped out when he got back and hurried me back to the car; as we were struggling back through the snow, I felt like I was walking on stubs, very scary. It took a long time and a lot of painful pins and needles before my extremities were back to normal.
I have a heightened sensitivity of cold in my fingers and toes and they go numb extremely quickly; I'm sure it is related to the incident.
I was lucky I didn't wander off from where he left me; it could have been a lot worse.
My heart goes out to the son, and I can't imagine how awful it was for the little girl, being all alone like that.
Yeah, as what happened with this boy, James Kim, yourself and many others it isn't uncommon to find hypothermia victims to be lightly clothed if not fully undressed. I think the problem is with all the warmth getting internalized to the major organs just causing you to feel/be overly warm. As you say, our bodies are bizzare.
The boy, as well. If we're going to remove his blighted line from the earth, we should be thorough.
Remember, everyone, it's still eugenics even when it's done to people who "have it coming."
To hell with the greater good.
Off the top of my head, punishing this guy would serve as a deterrence for others and simply as retribution from a blood thirsty society. The second one isn't as noble or idealistic as the first, but it's certainly a real part of the criminal justice system (iirc, the standard response for the purpose of prisons are retribution, rehabilitation, deterrence, and to keep dangerous people out of society (yeah, I forgot the word for that one, sue me). Obviously not all of them apply to this guy, but two of them do).
Since crimes like this are committed by mental defectives, the deterrence value is nil; and the bloodthirsty element of human nature is something that needs to be cured, not indulged. He certainly owes some debt to society, obviously, having caused the death of this child, even if it's simple punishment. But they should have charged him more realistically; a murder charge is more likely to get him off scott free.
