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Get Taylor Swift A Booty

I could have whipped that tune up in Reason in about 2hrs flat.
I look forward to your debut album.
It should be very successful!

Her albums are successful based on her name. Just like Justin Bieber (or all the manufactured/packaged celebrities) or are you going to argue that Justin Bieber's music has any true artistic inspiration, or deep thoughtful messages?

Both of them tend to sing about the same shit every other top 40 trash song is about: Romance and Sex
 
It's really a question of if she writes "most" of her own music.

No one can really write all their music any more if 3/4's of the rest of their awake life is about selling their music that they may or may not have written.

It's the difference between a puppet and an artist.
 
It's really a question of if she writes "most" of her own music.

No one can really write all their music any more if 3/4's of the rest of their awake life is about selling their music that they may or may not have written.

It's the difference between a puppet and an artist.
Not necessarily. It's often that dozens of artists can sing hit songs that resonate with a lot of people, and those songs come from the minds of a handful of writers. Burt Bacharach, for one example. Diane Warren, for another.
 
The oddest thing about Taylor is that she started as a Country and Western music singer.

That's not odd. It happens. (And sometimes in reverse, as well. Darius Rucker is now a country singer, and even Dire Straits went country on their last album!)

I can't say I'm happy that Taylor abandoned country for pop, but what the hell...there's still plenty of real country singers left.
 
It's absolutely sickening the way women are judged and chastised based on their looks.

Though I have trouble feeling bad for a celebrity for being made fun of on the internet.

Non-celebrity women have to put up with that crap in contexts that actually affect them personally.
True, but I can understand how they feel. Being a female celebrity seems to work like this:

Music Artist: "Hey guys, I just released my new album! I hope you like it!"
Generic Commenter: "Your music sucks, you're fat, you're fake, you're plastic, let's see those tits."
Music Artist: "I'd rather you judge my music, and not my physical appearance."
Interviewer: "He makes a good point, though. You need to wear nicer clothes, get some lipo, eat a cheeseburger."
Music Artist: "This is ridiculous! I'm not talking about me, I'm talking about my music!"
News media: "Music Artist explodes on TwitterBook. Do celebrities consider themselves above criticism?"

I can say something like that would get to me after a while.

I see it more like this:

Music industry to non-celebrity women: Look at all these hot women we spent millions of dollars to look even more attractive. If you don't look like them you're ugly.

Taylor Swift is a willful participant in this. Let's not forget she originally became famous by going on a television show which is all about making a singer into a brand. She entered into quite the Faustian bargain knowing where it would lead her, and if she chose she could have been a struggling Nashville musician who plays small gigs and is only judged for her music.

There is a big difference between Taylor Swift and Justin Bieber. Taylor Swift played music long before she was a brand and before her most recent album used to write all her songs.
 
It's absolutely sickening the way women are judged and chastised based on their looks.

Though I have trouble feeling bad for a celebrity for being made fun of on the internet.

Non-celebrity women have to put up with that crap in contexts that actually affect them personally.
True, but I can understand how they feel. Being a female celebrity seems to work like this:

Music Artist: "Hey guys, I just released my new album! I hope you like it!"
Generic Commenter: "Your music sucks, you're fat, you're fake, you're plastic, let's see those tits."
Music Artist: "I'd rather you judge my music, and not my physical appearance."
Interviewer: "He makes a good point, though. You need to wear nicer clothes, get some lipo, eat a cheeseburger."
Music Artist: "This is ridiculous! I'm not talking about me, I'm talking about my music!"
News media: "Music Artist explodes on TwitterBook. Do celebrities consider themselves above criticism?"

I can say something like that would get to me after a while.

I see it more like this:

Music industry to non-celebrity women: Look at all these hot women we spent millions of dollars to look even more attractive. If you don't look like them you're ugly.

Taylor Swift is a willful participant in this. Let's not forget she originally became famous by going on a television show which is all about making a singer into a brand. She entered into quite the Faustian bargain knowing where it would lead her, and if she chose she could have been a struggling Nashville musician who plays small gigs and is only judged for her music.

There is a big difference between Taylor Swift and Justin Bieber. Taylor Swift played music long before she was a brand and before her most recent album used to write all her songs.

I don't care for her music and think it often sends bad messages, but I can't fault her for making a living. I don't so much mind that she's a brand, I just don't like what her brand represents. None of which extends to criticizing her looks, however, which should be irrelevant.
 
It's absolutely sickening the way women are judged and chastised based on their looks.

Though I have trouble feeling bad for a celebrity for being made fun of on the internet.

Non-celebrity women have to put up with that crap in contexts that actually affect them personally.
True, but I can understand how they feel. Being a female celebrity seems to work like this:

Music Artist: "Hey guys, I just released my new album! I hope you like it!"
Generic Commenter: "Your music sucks, you're fat, you're fake, you're plastic, let's see those tits."
Music Artist: "I'd rather you judge my music, and not my physical appearance."
Interviewer: "He makes a good point, though. You need to wear nicer clothes, get some lipo, eat a cheeseburger."
Music Artist: "This is ridiculous! I'm not talking about me, I'm talking about my music!"
News media: "Music Artist explodes on TwitterBook. Do celebrities consider themselves above criticism?"

I can say something like that would get to me after a while.

I see it more like this:

Music industry to non-celebrity women: Look at all these hot women we spent millions of dollars to look even more attractive. If you don't look like them you're ugly.

Taylor Swift is a willful participant in this. Let's not forget she originally became famous by going on a television show which is all about making a singer into a brand. She entered into quite the Faustian bargain knowing where it would lead her, and if she chose she could have been a struggling Nashville musician who plays small gigs and is only judged for her music.

There is a big difference between Taylor Swift and Justin Bieber. Taylor Swift played music long before she was a brand and before her most recent album used to write all her songs.

So Taylor's options are

1) Be rich and famous as well as harrassed, body-shamed, and judged.

or

2) Be poor and unknown, but loved for who she is?

:wtf:

No.

Nope.

Nein.
 
The oddest thing about Taylor is that she started as a Country and Western music singer.

That's not odd. It happens. (And sometimes in reverse, as well. Darius Rucker is now a country singer, and even Dire Straits went country on their last album!)

I can't say I'm happy that Taylor abandoned country for pop, but what the hell...there's still plenty of real country singers left.

And Michael Bolton, amusingly enough, started his musical career in metal bands before switching gears. :D Sometimes the industry can be a weird business.
 
True, but I can understand how they feel. Being a female celebrity seems to work like this:

Music Artist: "Hey guys, I just released my new album! I hope you like it!"
Generic Commenter: "Your music sucks, you're fat, you're fake, you're plastic, let's see those tits."
Music Artist: "I'd rather you judge my music, and not my physical appearance."
Interviewer: "He makes a good point, though. You need to wear nicer clothes, get some lipo, eat a cheeseburger."
Music Artist: "This is ridiculous! I'm not talking about me, I'm talking about my music!"
News media: "Music Artist explodes on TwitterBook. Do celebrities consider themselves above criticism?"

I can say something like that would get to me after a while.

I see it more like this:

Music industry to non-celebrity women: Look at all these hot women we spent millions of dollars to look even more attractive. If you don't look like them you're ugly.

Taylor Swift is a willful participant in this. Let's not forget she originally became famous by going on a television show which is all about making a singer into a brand. She entered into quite the Faustian bargain knowing where it would lead her, and if she chose she could have been a struggling Nashville musician who plays small gigs and is only judged for her music.

There is a big difference between Taylor Swift and Justin Bieber. Taylor Swift played music long before she was a brand and before her most recent album used to write all her songs.

I don't care for her music and think it often sends bad messages, but I can't fault her for making a living. I don't so much mind that she's a brand, I just don't like what her brand represents. None of which extends to criticizing her looks, however, which should be irrelevant.
How can her looks be irrelevant? They are an integral part of her "brand". She, like so many other pop stars (male and female), uses her looks to sell her brand.

True, but I can understand how they feel. Being a female celebrity seems to work like this:

Music Artist: "Hey guys, I just released my new album! I hope you like it!"
Generic Commenter: "Your music sucks, you're fat, you're fake, you're plastic, let's see those tits."
Music Artist: "I'd rather you judge my music, and not my physical appearance."
Interviewer: "He makes a good point, though. You need to wear nicer clothes, get some lipo, eat a cheeseburger."
Music Artist: "This is ridiculous! I'm not talking about me, I'm talking about my music!"
News media: "Music Artist explodes on TwitterBook. Do celebrities consider themselves above criticism?"

I can say something like that would get to me after a while.

I see it more like this:

Music industry to non-celebrity women: Look at all these hot women we spent millions of dollars to look even more attractive. If you don't look like them you're ugly.

Taylor Swift is a willful participant in this. Let's not forget she originally became famous by going on a television show which is all about making a singer into a brand. She entered into quite the Faustian bargain knowing where it would lead her, and if she chose she could have been a struggling Nashville musician who plays small gigs and is only judged for her music.

There is a big difference between Taylor Swift and Justin Bieber. Taylor Swift played music long before she was a brand and before her most recent album used to write all her songs.

So Taylor's options are

1) Be rich and famous as well as harrassed, body-shamed, and judged.
As Jirin pointed out, Taylor knew exactly what she was doing, where she wanted to be and how she was going to get there. She, and no doubt her management team very likely, made a conscious decision to go for that mega pop stardom that so many want but are unable to achieve.

Taylor, I'm sure, was perceived as having the "total package", the sound, the ability to produce hits that appeal to the masses, the personal charisma, and most importantly, the looks. She went for it, and now she has gotten what she wanted. As I wrote further upthread, you take the bitter with the sweet UNLESS you're perfect. Taylor has a lot of things going for her physically, but like all of us, she ain't perfect. I still say, so what if someone points out one of those little imperfections.

Her next hit should be about being physically imperfect but striving for a great life anyway, like what she has done.

IF I were the one who had made the comments about her booty and IF she came to me complaining about a "hurtful attack" and "body shaming" I think I'de laugh in her face.
 
Being famous does not mean that you are automatically open to consequence-free criticism about things you cannot easily change and if we as a society have developed the view that "well they are famous, they asked for me to make intensely personal comments about their body that I would never say to a stranger" then we have a problem.
 
Being famous does not mean that you are automatically open to consequence-free criticism about things you cannot easily change and if we as a society have developed the view that "well they are famous, they asked for me to make intensely personal comments about their body that I would never say to a stranger" then we have a problem.
And by the same token, being famous for how you look also does not mean that you get to suddenly claim the annonimity and rights of a private citizen when someone says something about your looks that is less than flattering.

You can't have it both ways.
 
Her albums are successful based on her name. Just like Justin Bieber (or all the manufactured/packaged celebrities) or are you going to argue that Justin Bieber's music has any true artistic inspiration, or deep thoughtful messages?

This makes zero sense. So, her name and her name alone made her successful? What's so magical about the name Taylor Swift that some how triggers people to buy a record?

The reality that you are missing: she writes catchy music that connects to a vast audience. Perhaps now, as she as a repetition, she is able to reach an even broader market, but, she got there because she writes music that people like.

Like Bieder did, or does, not sure if he is even relevant any more.

She writes pop music. She's not aiming for deeper thoughts. Hell, it took the Beatles four albums before they got to anything deep.

Both of them tend to sing about the same shit every other top 40 trash song is about: Romance and Sex

It's not the topic, it's the execution. She executes catchy songs really really well.

If it was so easy, again, we await your album. It should be a smashing success.
 
Being famous does not mean that you are automatically open to consequence-free criticism about things you cannot easily change and if we as a society have developed the view that "well they are famous, they asked for me to make intensely personal comments about their body that I would never say to a stranger" then we have a problem.
And by the same token, being famous for how you look also does not mean that you get to suddenly claim the annonimity and rights of a private citizen when someone says something about your looks that is less than flattering.

You can't have it both ways.
Where did Taylor Swift say anything in that article? This is still just a strawman from your head. Whatever opinion you may be entitled to, you have no entitlement to respect for it.
 
It's absolutely sickening the way women are judged and chastised based on their looks.

Though I have trouble feeling bad for a celebrity for being made fun of on the internet.

Non-celebrity women have to put up with that crap in contexts that actually affect them personally.
True, but I can understand how they feel. Being a female celebrity seems to work like this:

Music Artist: "Hey guys, I just released my new album! I hope you like it!"
Generic Commenter: "Your music sucks, you're fat, you're fake, you're plastic, let's see those tits."
Music Artist: "I'd rather you judge my music, and not my physical appearance."
Interviewer: "He makes a good point, though. You need to wear nicer clothes, get some lipo, eat a cheeseburger."
Music Artist: "This is ridiculous! I'm not talking about me, I'm talking about my music!"
News media: "Music Artist explodes on TwitterBook. Do celebrities consider themselves above criticism?"

I can say something like that would get to me after a while.

I see it more like this:

Music industry to non-celebrity women: Look at all these hot women we spent millions of dollars to look even more attractive. If you don't look like them you're ugly.

Taylor Swift is a willful participant in this. Let's not forget she originally became famous by going on a television show which is all about making a singer into a brand. She entered into quite the Faustian bargain knowing where it would lead her, and if she chose she could have been a struggling Nashville musician who plays small gigs and is only judged for her music.

There is a big difference between Taylor Swift and Justin Bieber. Taylor Swift played music long before she was a brand and before her most recent album used to write all her songs.

No, no one deserves to be objectified for going on a television show. It's like keying someone's car, and telling them they knew what they were getting into when they bought it in red.
 
Taylor Swift is a willful participant in this. Let's not forget she originally became famous by going on a television show which is all about making a singer into a brand. She entered into quite the Faustian bargain knowing where it would lead her, and if she chose she could have been a struggling Nashville musician who plays small gigs and is only judged for her music.

There is a big difference between Taylor Swift and Justin Bieber. Taylor Swift played music long before she was a brand and before her most recent album used to write all her songs.
Which TV show was this? Looking at her bio on Wikipedia I'm not seeing any reference to her being on such a TV show.
 
Yeah, sorry but that's nonsense. I remember Swift in the early "Teardrops on My Guitar" and "Tim McGraw" days; there was no Idol or Voice or X-Factor. For better or worse she just burst onto the Nashville scene at 16.
 
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