George W. Bush's "The Expanse"

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  1. Guest

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    Once again, are you proposing that Saddam Hussein was so monumentally stupid that he had destroyed the WMD program that he admitted to having after GWI, but was just refusing to show everyone the paperwork that would show that he had been in complience for 12 years?
     
  2. J Archer

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    i'm not "for" any political party, their all just nutters (at least the ones here in the uk, and in my opinion those with Bush)
     
  3. Admiral Buzzkill

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    More that he was trying to pull a balancing act -- he was betting that the U.S. wouldn't actually invade (this, obviously and in retrospect, doesn't make him MENSA material). Hussein was hated by his neighbors and by his own people -- ambiguity about his possession of WMDs was a useful thing, to say the least, as regarded threats which he took more seriously than that posed by the U.S. He simply believed that he could walk the line by more-or-less satisfying the U.N. inspectors sufficiently to prevent further international action against his regime while not losing the deterrent value (and, parenthetically, too much face) of surrounding states and rebels in his own country believing that he had tremendous amounts more of this kind of thing than he appears so far to actually have possessed.
     
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    Hey Buggman--Could you correct the attribution above so that it doesn't look like I'm stealing Dennis Bailey's words? What will my friends think?
     
  5. J Archer

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  6. tribble-eater

    tribble-eater Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    There is a very good reason that we didn't see the marines yet.

    Ready?...

    They haven't been cast yet! Why on God's green earth would Paramount want to spend time and money NOW to cast the handful of new (probably recurring) roles with only one spisode left? They may be clueless dolts at times, but money-stupid they are not.

    Now they have the production break to cast the
    roles. (And to fit them all with red shirts :lol:)

    I liked the episode fine, but consider this. Maybe WE are the Iraqis. Think about it. The Xindi attack us before we can use our WMD's on them in the future just as Iraq was atta...liberated because we believed that some time in the nebulous future, they were gonna attack us.

    And don't start with that Iraq = Al Queda crap. Nobody buys that.
     
  7. IJD GAF

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    Okay, this is very, very dumb.

    TPTB have already stated that "The Expanse" is a parallel to 9-11, and that their new mission is a parallel to the war on terrorism. It's been in TrekToday headlines.

    Don't argue it as a week link because members are saying it. Argue with the producers all you want, but the parallel WAS intended.

    *sigh*
     
  8. Tulin

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    That's just plain stupid.

    We ALL know he has cooties.


    :rolleyes:
     
  9. Peter the Younger

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    Well obviously they are drawing parallels to 9/11, but that alone doesn't make it Dubya propaganda... unless of course you think that Bush secretly caused 9/11, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt there, and assume that you are simply confusing the 2001 attack with the war on Iraq.

    If you are implying that the Xindi are the Iraqis, you're missing the boat - if the attack is 9/11, then the Xindi would be al-Qaida. If anyone wants to stand up and say we didn't have a right to be pissed at Osama and company, go right ahead, but let's be clear who we're talking about.

    Personally I don't like Bush, but I find it disturbing that any expression of anger at a murderous attack - or any suggestion of retaliation against said attack - is now "George W. Bush propaganda."

    One last time: 9/11, War in Iraq. Two separate events.
     
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    Two scenes. Trip and Reed in the hall. And Trip and Archer drinking. Trip is all about killing 'someone' in revenge. Xindies! Did he have proof? Does Archer? Does Trip even know who the Xindies are? No... but that doesn't matter. Just find them and kill them. His anger was typically racist and unthinking.

    Trip is setup as the ignorant revenge killer who hates the enemy race. Sub-text.

    Is it better? Is it drama? Is it contrived and makes Trip out to be a typical racist southern stereotype?

    I know. It's not important. ENT fans don't care. It's just a Sci-Fi show right?
     
  11. Theophilus

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    ahhh, liberals.

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  12. AboveAll

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    Which also aptly describes Bush. :lol:
     
  13. AboveAll

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    ahhh, beavers.
     
  14. Guest

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    < Lesley Neilson Voice > ... heeeey, niiiice beaver. :D
     
  15. jhouston6

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    I'm tired of it from both sides AND I'M A DEMOCRAT. Yes Bush did the right thing by going into Afghanistan and trying to get Osama Bin Laden. No Bush did not do a smart thing by going in and "liberating Iraq." Not because it didn't need liberating but because it wasn't our biggest danger. If you think I'm wrong then you clearly haven't been watching the news. While we were occupied in Iraq Al-Queda began to rebuild itself and now there attacking again. Those are the facts of the matter. anyone care to comment.
     
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    Ooops! Sorry about that. It's fixed--you can show all your friends that you're not a lib now. :lol:
     
  17. Guest

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    Ah, but he had agreed to prove that he had dismantled his WMD program after he lost invading Kuwait in GWI. The penalty for the invasion was that he didn't get to look cool in front of all of his peers, you see. By violating the terms of the cease-fire, Saddam--not Bush--reinitiated the Gulf War . . . and got his butt handed to him on a silver platter. The U.N. should've handled it, but they're frankly worthless, so it fell to Bush to enforce the terms of the U.N.'s own agreement for the organization that in all of its brilliance puts Libya in charge of the human rights committee and Iraq in charge of the disarmament committee.

    By the way, where did you read about this CIA report? I haven't been able to find an article on it; mind posting the link? Thanks.
     
  18. StarHarper

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    This ep reminded me, too, of 9/11. But you have a very good point. This isn't necessarily a 9/11 plot. It's just that we're still so close to 9/11 that it's the first thing that pops into our minds. After all, how many Trekkies were alive during WWII? But we were all there for 9/11.
     
  19. its_a_clock

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    B&B attempting social commentary? Totally ridiculous.
     
  20. Bad Bishop

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    Thank you, sir!
     
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