GENERATIONS should have remade NG"YESTERDAY'S ENTERPRISE"(but 1701-B)

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  1. King Daniel Beyond

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    I love the Shatnerverse novels. They're so OTT, and so much fun. It's a shame his academy series was axed after the first novel. The Shat/Reeves-Stevens version of young Kirk was written very much like Chris Pine's version in STXI. About Shatner's influence: Joseph Kirk, Jim's father in Collision Course, appears to be named for and based on Shatner's dad.

    This. "Yesterday's Enterprise" was great. Why make it again (especially so soon)?
     
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    It's pretty obvious that the Shatnerverse books shadowed real life events that were going on in Shatner's real life. The death of Teliani was written I think shortly after the tragic death of his wife...the one before Lisbeth. Not sure what the inspiration was for Joseph Kirk. I like the Shatnerverse books for the most part. As much as they are their own continuity it is amusing how much they did try to respect current continuity as far as it was known, just rewritten to include Kirk.

    I too was disappointed about the cancellation of Trial Run or whatever the Academy book sequel was called.
     
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    Kirk could have commanded the Enterprise-D stardrive section and battled the Bird of Prey till the saucer made it's escape. The warp core breach could have happened after the saucer seperated and Kirk could have died taking out the Klingons and Soran's weapon. Only thing is it had to be more than a bird of prey, maybe several or one of the larger Klingon ships.
     
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    When Nimoy rejected the script, they should have had a reality check. Not that Nimoy is God, but his opinion should have carried more weight. Hell they should have brought him in as a writer if he so desired.
     
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    Scene: Enterprise D Bridge.

    Picard: It's a honor have you board Captain Kirk. Now excuse me, I'll be in the ready room...

    Picard stubs his toe on the helm-station and immediately drops dead.

    Starfleet: Kirk you're in charge of the Enterprise D, please try no to piss off the Klingons.

    Kirk: Uh..too late.
     
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    Or as a tribute to Kirk they could pull the old ENT-A out of mothball and refit that ship under the auspices of Scotty and have Kirk command that ship and fight in it for the movie alongside the ENT-D of course.
     
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    ^ That would make no sense story wise except to appease fans.
     
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    And as suggested have Kirk die on the bridge in battle in as a grand sacrifice to save something on his resurrected ENT-A. It may seem contrived but does it make any less sense than the movie plots they come out with lately!
     
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    GR's original idea was to keep the two generations separate. But then, of course, they began to look for all kinds of contrived ways to get them together. The only time the bridging of the generations worked was seeing an elderly McCoy in "Encounter At Farpoint," seeing Sarek in "Sarek" and the tenuous meeting in the novel Federations.
     
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    what about "relics?' or did you not like that one?
     
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    If they were to bring Kirk and Company back, they should've not killed Kirk nor any other classic Trek character. I always remember how in the original BG, the Pegasus and Lloyd Bridges attacked the cylons head on, and it's left unclear whether or not the Pegasus was destroyed in the attack. Something similar would've been better than GENERATIONS.
     
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    That's contrived.

    But also having Spock appear is legitimate like seeing Sarek. And beyond that seeing Kang, Koloth, and Kor is legitimate also in the TNG timeline.
     
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    Not so much.
     
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    Federation, where the Enterprises shut off their sensors and blinked their running lights at each other? Probably the most pretentious fanwank moment in all of Trek.
     
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    You may be thinking of Cinefantastique, which quoted Berman to the effect that he wished, in retrospect, that he had held on to the script for "Yesterday's Enterprise" for a potential crossover movie.

    To be honest, though, I don't think that "Yesterday's Enterprise" would have worked as the first TNG movie. Audiences would have wanted to see the real Picard and Data and Riker, not an alt-timeline version of the characters they had watched for the last seven years.

    "All Good Things...," however, would have worked quite well as a crossover film. Instead of Picard shuffling to "Encounter at Farpoint," he shuffles back to Kirk's Enterprise post-Star Trek VI.
     
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    I don't think there was a "post-ST VI" Kirk's Enterprise, as it was scheduled to be de-commissioned at the end of that movie, or whenever Kirk decided to get on with it.


    But the larger point is: that time period is not within Picard's personal timeline, so it would've been a very different premise from AGT, which was very much about Picard. AGT was a TNG story through and through.

    your idea sounds more like Voyager's "flashback."
     
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    The way I've imagined this hypothetical version of "All Good Things...," the post-Star Trek VI stuff happens when the Enterprise is en route to Earth for its decommissioning.

    Picard is more like Sam Beckett of Quantum Leap than the ghostly Janeway of "Flashback." And Picard does have a role to play in the 23rd-century.

    I also don't see a "future" plotline, as that would crowd the story. Picard is aware that he's moving into the future, probably the 25th-century with an Enterprise-H, but he doesn't know exactly when and he can't quite remember anything.

    I'll have to find when I've written about this before. I've written about it on this board, actually.

    ETA: Or not. Running a search, I can't find it.

    Here, however, is an e-mail I wrote to a friend about a decade ago. (Writers never throw ideas away, y'know. ;) )

    So, yes, a different story than "AGT," though working from the same premise. :)
     
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    I just don't think there should've been a crossover movie at all. Nimoy and Kelley were right: STVI was a great send-off for the original series crew, and the closing monologue was as much of a "passing-of-the-torch" as was necessary. The only reason they did a crossover at all was because the suits were worried the Next Gen cast couldn't carry a movie on their own -- if they'd put a little more faith in them (not unreasonable, considering TNG was a popular show) then we could've had a proper "Star Trek: The Next Generation -- The Movie" rather than the slapped-together hybrid thing we got.
     
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    I agree with this, in fact I'd wanted to start a topic on why they felt they needed a "combined cast" movie in the first place.

    Not only was TUC a great final film for the original cast, but TNG was hugely popular at the time of the end of the show. The new cast could've carried a movie on their own as they showed with FC.

    Instead, the need for a "crossover story" by necessity limited the kind of story they could tell, as they needed a plot that could bridge the two generations.


    Then on top of this, they couldn't get the entire classic cast, so they get a random assortment of characters: Kirk, Scotty, and Chekov. At least maybe if they could've gotten all of the Big Three, but really, the TOS characters weren't involved enough to make it a combined TNG-TOS film, yet were just enough involved to deny TNG the opportunity to stand on its own.
     
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    But also with people comenting on how uber-cool it was, James Kirk in the captain's chair, giving the order to destroy the BoP, and then riding the Enterprise Dee's saucer down into the atmosphere trailing flames ... yes please.

    Plus finding time somewhere to screw Troi.

    TMP made the most money of all the eleven movies, must have done something right.