Has to be C.
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Has to be C.
True, but don't you think that species Ten-C was lower, less evolved, and less everything at one time during their evolution? And therefore, could understand what it means to be less evolved?
Why would highly advanced and intelligent species and civilizations be unable to recognize the intelligence and personhood of less advanced and intelligent species?
Consider the situation on Earth. There are many species in the class of mammals alone, without getting into more exotic classes, which have large brains and display intelligence and complex social lives and use tools a lot, even though those tools are less advanced than the tools which most humasn use. There are about 90 such species of apes, probscideans, and cetaceans which seem to have a fair probability of having intelligence ranges which greatly overlap with the human intelligence range.
And yet the vast majority of present humans seem to assume that Homo sapiens is the only species of intelligent beings and people living on Earth at the present.
So I find it easy to believe that fictional highly intelligent and advanced aliens might have a similar blind spot, refusing to admit that lesser beings might be sufficiently intelligent and advanced to be counted as people.
What? No. Homo sapiens emerged during the Paleolithic Age, a period of prehistory that lasted over three million years and ended about 12,000 years ago.
That....is....the....stone....age.....
https://www.britannica.com/event/Paleolithic-Period
https://www.penfield.edu/webpages/jgiotto/onlinetextbook.cfm?subpage=1525824
Yes, exactly. We were not always as we are now during most of the Stone Age, not the same species, contrary to what you said initially.
It's not contrary to what I said. As you mentioned, our species emerged in the Paleolithic Age, which is a more ....academic term for the Stone Age (at least the earlier part of it). We are truly no different from the first Homo sapiens who lived in caves and crude shelters and hunted mammoths with rocks and spears.
This at least is true enough. We are still exactly the same as we were by the end of the Stone Age.
Wouldn't it also depend upon how large the difference would be?
I mean in stone age people we still recognize beings that are basically us, just with less advanced technology (and possibly less advanced abstract concepts). But we don't recognize ants as sapient, because, to us, they aren't. Even though they might evolve into something we'd consider sapient given countless millions of years. So I could imagine a species as far above us as we are above ants thinks we do not meet their criteria for sapience, and they might see us as a species that might one day become sapient (in their definition) but isn't, today. Perhaps we're only what they would call proto-sapient, or some such term.
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Ok, question... Chakotay presumably replicated the watch he gave Kathryn in "Year of Hell" some time before the year started (he said "months ago" on D71). So, when the timeline got reset back to Day 1, it's likely the watch still existed.
So... why didn't she ever get it?
(I mean, it's only featured in one of the series' best frickin' moments, where Janeway makes the decision to stay with Voyager, Tuvok tells her to live long and prosper even though they both know that ain't happening, then Seven leads him off and Kathryn is alone on the bridge and I can barely see her cause I'm frickin' crying my eyes out, but I can make her out as she adjusts the watch on her hip)
So... why didn't she ever get it?
(I mean, it's only featured in one of the series' best frickin' moments, where Janeway makes the decision to stay with Voyager, Tuvok tells her to live long and prosper even though they both know that ain't happening, then Seven leads him off and Kathryn is alone on the bridge and I can barely see her cause I'm frickin' crying my eyes out, but I can make her out as she adjusts the watch on her hip)
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For the same reason Marty's letter to the future telling Doc he'd be killed the night Marty went back to 1955 doesn't appear in Parts II and III. They no longer serve a story purpose, even if they still exist or absolutely had to. So they weren't shown.
Who says she didn't get it?
How do we know she didn't? She wore it as a reminder of Chakotay and a symbol of hope / restoring time after he was captured, but in the reset timeline Chuckles never gets captured, so she had no impetus to wear it openly. She's probably got it in a nice display box in her ready room or quarters just slightly off-camera.
Alternatively, Chakotay might have felt brave enough to give her an elaborate gift that showed how much he cared for Katheryn in the "we're all gonna die" timeline, but maybe in the reset timeline without those events happening he chickened out on giving her something so special.
From some discussions in the movies forum, I thought some of the movies might be going away from streaming on P+ to steer viewers to physical media for those particular releases. It would be interesting if they went to a different streaming platform.
Kor
<checks> Must not be Soon yet because they are still on P+ in the Leaving Soon category.
Other Services (not checking every one) also have listings for some of those films (not checking every one) included with subscription.
Other Services (not checking every one) also have listings for some of those films (not checking every one) included with subscription.
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