You don't need Earth.Is there enough metal and raw material available on Earth to build this starbase?
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If not, how can it be achieved if humanity fails to invent ‘replicators’?
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Which planets should we mine first then? I don’t think that the moon has ‘metal’?
All of them. Start with asteroids, Jupiter's moons, etc. Be creative.Which planets should we mine first then? I don’t think that the moon has ‘metal’?
Ok but this can’t be like a mad ‘gold rush’ with people sending spaceships out to planets with ‘gold dusting pans’. I would imagine that before we go searching for metal and other ‘materialistic’ precious ores and substances we should attempt to find ‘water’. This can be used to irrigate ‘space’ crops, provide drinking water to our spacemen and also allow us to wash. We could also use it produce hydrogen based ‘starship’ fuel.
We could also use the water to rinse out the grit from our gold dusting pans so that we can find the ‘nuggets’?
Plus you have an entire Federation of member worlds that can contribute resources to the construction of starbases and orbital docks, especially ones of enormous size. Even in the TOS and TOS Movie eras the Federation may have had about 100 members or even more and the coming together of construction ideas and manufacturing resources from so many member civilizations might expedite the construction of facilities as huge as Spacedock in Earth orbit or the near-clone in TNG many decades later.
The building materials required for a metropolis (or two) would be enough to build it. So Earth certainly has enough raw materials for that thing. (I'd sooner think that getting it all up in orbit would be the more costly issue).
And, as others mentioned, they aren't limited to earth.
And, as others mentioned, they aren't limited to earth.
Just saw the 'Worf snaps Weyoun's neck and Damar is laughing' scene again.
What I don't understand is how this could have happened in the first place. I mean, had those Cardassian guards been Jem'Hadar, Worf would have never gotten his chance. Weyoun also must have known that even though they were allies, the Cardassians weren't to be trusted 100%. After all, they also kept them into the dark about the alliance with the Breen. So why did he agree to no Jem Hadar at all being present when meeting Worf and Ezri?
What I don't understand is how this could have happened in the first place. I mean, had those Cardassian guards been Jem'Hadar, Worf would have never gotten his chance. Weyoun also must have known that even though they were allies, the Cardassians weren't to be trusted 100%. After all, they also kept them into the dark about the alliance with the Breen. So why did he agree to no Jem Hadar at all being present when meeting Worf and Ezri?
Funny enough, I was just rewatching this scene as well. One, it is still hilarious. Two, from the follow up discussion with the Breen it sounds like the Cardassians were in charge of security, only for the Jem'hadar to be put in charge after the incident. Damar even makes a point of this that the Jem'Hadar had failed in their security efforts and preventing their escape. Weyoun then has to reassure the Breen that this isn't normal security procedure and such failings will not happen again.
Damar is clearly pulling some strings here to set up the Jem'hadar as fall guys.
https://screenrant.com/strange-new-worlds-kirk-death-vision-final-frontier/
Article asks whether Kirk's always knowing he'd die alone is due to Kirk receiving a vision of his future like Pike did in Discovery.
I imagine it's probably because he knows if anything bad happens while he's with other people, he will always tell them to go and save themselves. He doesn't want anyone else to stay and die with him, but at the same time, he knows he'll be lonely if they leave like he tells them to.
Article asks whether Kirk's always knowing he'd die alone is due to Kirk receiving a vision of his future like Pike did in Discovery.
I imagine it's probably because he knows if anything bad happens while he's with other people, he will always tell them to go and save themselves. He doesn't want anyone else to stay and die with him, but at the same time, he knows he'll be lonely if they leave like he tells them to.
I'd prefer it just be fear combined with some intuition on his part. Leave Time Crystals or something alien in technology or even paranormal out of it. Kirk has simply feared dying alone for most of his life, something generated by an unrevealed event in his childhood or what have you. The idea of Kirk - this interstellar hero who's saved Earth itself more than once - being an insecure man who fears the moment of his own death in part because of the loneliness he expects just prior is an engaging character trait.
Could also be faith in his friends - if Spock and McCoy are there, he CAN'T die.
Like Trip or instead of him?
Kirk's intent that he "always knew he'd die alone" was because if he had Spock and McCoy (and the rest, to a lesser extent) by his side or nearby, they'd find a way to save him from dying. So if he were going to die, it must be because none of his friends were around to save him at the time.
It was a vote of confidence and trust in his friends, not an expression that he'd push them away so he could die alone.
What more is needed than what was said in the episode?
"Overconfidence, the hallmark of the Weyouns." - Damar
Then the next Weyoun strolls right into Damar's office without any Jem'Hadar security accompanying him, even though he was just murdered in front of Damar and two Cardassian guards.
He was a combination of extremely arrogant, easily replaceable (until his AQ clone stocks and cloning facility was destroyed by Damar), and wanting to make a good impression as a genetically engineered diplomat, which sometimes means not showing force at first, including getting up close and personal without intimidating guards being in the way.
"Maybe you should talk to Worf again." 
No need to get the materials from Earth. If your society were sophisticated, economically healthy, patient, and motivated enough to build a space station that large, you could get all the materials you need by gradually nudging (with a mass-driver or other method) an Iron-Nickel and other metal-rich Near Earth Asteroid into Earth orbit or one of the LaGrange Points and then mining the iron, nickel, carbon and other materials to make steel or other components for your space station.Is there enough metal and raw material available on Earth to build this starbase?
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This Metal-Rich, Potato-Shaped Asteroid Could Be Worth $10 Quintillion
In August, NASA is sending an orbiter to the space object, which may be the partial remains of planet-forming material made of nickel and iron
Even better though, forget building a new space station and just hollow out parts of an asteroid itself and make that your space station, all while allowing you to continue to mine it for more valuable materials. The rock will also provide better radiation protection for the inhabitants.
Then start saying things like "Sase ke, bossmang?" and begin harboring a deep resentment for the Inners on Earth and Mars exploiting you.
We've seen several asteroid bases, mines, and even a generational ship in Trek before:
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