General thoughts on ENT?
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When did Archer kill his own crew???
Well, in the "Regeneration" commentary by Phyllis Strong and Mike Sussman, they mentioned that Archer was more caring about losing people in the first two seasons, versus after the Xindi attack. He did "torture" an alien for information. In the novel for Enterprise Kobayashi Maru, he allowed the ship by the same title to die, other than let his ship be tele captured by the Romulans. I have to think of other examples, I haven't seen the whole Season 3 yet.
Getting any two Trek fans to agree on what good Trek looks like is trying to find two exactly identical MINI Coopers.I used to work at a dealership, so I'm pretty confident in saying neither of those things exists in the wild, lol.
I have been able to get MINI customers to accept a different car than the one they pictured they wanted. I can't say that for a good number of Trek fans.
That is true, there are many shades of Star Trek fans, unlike any other fandom. However, there are some series that are better widely received than others. Deep Space Nine is considered the best series for darkness, characters, and plot, while TWOK was good and TVH brought it a lot of people to watch it, and it wasn't considered a bad movie.
You are entitled to that opinion, but the Vulcans antagonism was meant to show how they held back Star Fleet, and didn't give them their technology and star exploring like it was the 23rd century.
Sometimes between the founding races, there is. In Seasons 1-2, the Vulcan antagonize the humans and in Season 4, the Andorians and Tellarites fight, but they come together during the Romulans attack to later form the Federation, which the series doesn't get into, especially if you take into account the relaunch novels.
The ratings were in a downward spiral that was probably franchise fatigue.
I never bought into this "Fatigue" business ... my appetite for STAR TREK has always been voracious!
It conjures a weird image of the crew sitting in the mess hall, nodding their heads while N-Sync or whoever bust some moves on a little stage. I can imagine the jokes about "boldly going - to spread our terrible taste in music to the stars." If this had actually happened, the use of Beastie Boys in ST09 would have garnered nothing but praise.
Yes, this is actually an idea that has been in sci-fi literature for a while, that contact with superior benevolent aliens would not be wonderful as SETI fans think, but could have a deadening effect on our culture.
You've probably already seen this - Star Trek ratings decline in graph form. The third one down the page is particularly effective - after TNG the ratings basically form one single downward-sloping line.
http://www.madmind.de/2009/05/02/all-star-trek-movies-and-episodes-in-two-charts/
It conjures a weird image of the crew sitting in the mess hall, nodding their heads while N-Sync or whoever bust some moves on a little stage. I can imagine the jokes about "boldly going - to spread our terrible taste in music to the stars." If this had actually happened, the use of Beastie Boys in ST09 would have garnered nothing but praise.
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That's pretty much what we have in that space hippie episode of TOS. Plus the songs are terrible.
Given that they were on the first warp-5 ship and weeks to months away from home at any given time, it would have been difficult to make believable. Even more unbelievable would be the notion that 22nd Century explorers would be interested in 'boy bands' noise polluting their ship at ANY time.
Fans will go to great lengths to see their favourite acts ... great lengths, indeed!
Such graphs and pie charts have done more damage to this franchise than fringe fans ever could ...
They're not called fans for nothing.
Same with me!
Yeah, I was just explaining to him the reason to why they portrayed the Vulcans in Star Trek: Enterprise the way that they did that was the opposite almost of the Vulcans in The Original Series. However, it must be said that Spock was bullied as a little Vulcan and Sarek, his father, didn't like him joining Star Fleet. That's too emotional for me...
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Yeah, I was just explaining to him the reason to why they portrayed the Vulcans in Star Trek: Enterprise the way that they did that was the opposite almost of the Vulcans in The Original Series. However, it must be said that Spock was bullied as a little Vulcan and Sarek, his father, didn't like him joining Star Fleet. That's too emotional for me...
Yes, it is emotional.
Enterprise is my third favourite series after TOS and DS9. It certainly suffered from behind the scenes meddling by the network. I enjoyed it most when it tried to do its own thing, but too often was derailed into relying on far too familiar stories, aliens, and call backs.
I enjoyed some of the earlier stores such as, Fight or Flight. It takes an encounter that would be nothing interesting in any of the other series and turns it into a bigger threat for an unprepared crew. If it had continued along this path, I think it would have been a better series, but because of the low ratings, they had to tweak the show in hopes to bring in fans who wanted the Borg and other tried and true Trek story devices.
My advice, give it a try. It does improve over the course of the series, and depending what you're looking for in a show, you may even like it.
I enjoyed some of the earlier stores such as, Fight or Flight. It takes an encounter that would be nothing interesting in any of the other series and turns it into a bigger threat for an unprepared crew. If it had continued along this path, I think it would have been a better series, but because of the low ratings, they had to tweak the show in hopes to bring in fans who wanted the Borg and other tried and true Trek story devices.
My advice, give it a try. It does improve over the course of the series, and depending what you're looking for in a show, you may even like it.
enterprise can be best described as a really really bad fan fiction story written by anautistic 15 year old.
They introduced species and ships that actually weren't seen until after the enterprise B was built.
SO much was sheer crap, So much was just laughable
They introduced species and ships that actually weren't seen until after the enterprise B was built.
SO much was sheer crap, So much was just laughable
Leaving aside the condoning of genocide based on a highly questionable interpretation of Darwin's theory.
Are you talking about the episode where the one planet has two species, with one evolving rapidly while the other was dying out due to a genetic disease? If this is the one, how you do you interpret anything that happened in that episode as genocide?
Phlox said to Archer that he found the cure to their disease and then talked Archer into withholding that cure.
What part of that didn't you get?
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