@Lord Garth what did you think of the shitty video I posted?
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I had to stop it midway through. They should've had a real person do the narration. It's too hard to listen to. It also sounds like an internet article, where they take too much time trying to say what they want to say. I stopped at the point where the video said the ending to Season 5 was unnecessary because "Face the Strange" explained "Calypso". It didn't.
When Burnham and Rayner end up in 3218, it's an alternate future where the Breen have won against the Federation. There's no such indication in "Calypso" that the Breen rule over everything. Also, it looked like Discovery was going in-and-out of power in the future scenes in "Face the Strange". No sign of that in "Calypso" either. All "Face the Strange" does is reinforce the idea that eventually Discovery will end up in a "Calypso"-style situation.
"But it all connects!" doesn't mean "Calypso" would have to be an alternate reality. The fact that Michelle Paradise wanted it connect means that it wouldn't be an alternate reality. And if it's an alternate reality then it can't be in a time where the Breen have won. On a personal level, I wouldn't want "Calypso" to take place in a timeline that wasn't meant to be. Bottom Line: In the body of Season 5, they wanted to hint at "Calypso", they didn't want to give the whole thing away. Having the situation be what was seen in "Face the Strange" would've given the whole thing away.
Season 6 would've covered how "Calypso" happens, so the epilogue for Season 5 was an extremely truncated version of that. I like that "Life, Itself" didn't delve into the specific details of the Red Directive Mission because it wouldn't have been done justice in how little time they had, and it leaves them options for how they want to explore it in a TV Movie, novel, or comic.
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You lasted longer than I did. The janky AI voice was very off putting. There seems to be a real blow up of these kind of videos lately. I hope it's a trend that won't last long, but i doubt it.
Yeah. We're still a looooong way off from Zora...
If you're replying to what I said, I said she wasn't underused. Or at least, I've never seen anyone complain that she was.How was Ogawa underused?
You seem to suggest that, but okay.
Ah the forum is back up.
I have Paramount+ for a free month. Over three days I managed to binge watch season 4 for the first time. I see what people meant about the pacing issues.
My season rankings from best to worst thus far? 1, 2, 3, 4... hoping 5 will break the trend.
I have Paramount+ for a free month. Over three days I managed to binge watch season 4 for the first time. I see what people meant about the pacing issues.
My season rankings from best to worst thus far? 1, 2, 3, 4... hoping 5 will break the trend.
Someone actually sent a question into TVLine about why Detmer and Owo were absent for most of S5. Here's the answer:
Michelle Paradise's comment reminds me of when Garrett Wang asked for a raise on Voyager and they volunteered to promote Harry Kim instead.
Solving an issue about cast non-appearance by mentioning off-screen adventures doesn't solve a damn thing. It certainly doesn't lead to monetary compensation to the actors.
I'd also note that if IMDB is to be trusted, neither one have any credits for anything else in 2024. Emily Coutts is the writer/director of an upcoming short film, but that doesn't seem like the sort of thing which would get in the way of her acting role.
Perhaps they do theater.
And IMDB is not to be trusted.
Looking over Emily's instagram, I found this from last year.
It really seems like...she thought DIS was canceled at the end of Season 4. She explicitly talks about endings being hard, and thanking the fans who made the last few years incredible. Seems she either thought the show was being canceled back then, or was pretty sure she wasn't returning at least.
Though maybe this was all just manufactured drama to make us think Detmer was going to die in the Season 4 finale.
If the actors had the schedule conflict and couldn't work, why would they get paid?
Obviously their other contract/commitment was a higher priority and Discovery's showrunners allowed it to work without much fuss.
Depends on what their contract actually said. They might have found it easier to let it go that renegotiate and spend money that way.
In defense of the actresses who played Detmer and Owosekun, I would've prioritized other projects too. Given the choice between stretching my acting muscles or saying, "Aye, Mister Saru," I'd go with the other project(s). I can't say I blame them.
In-universe: Turnover happens. I liked seeing new bridge crew. So, in a weird way, it's more realistic. That's what you'd expect to see happen after enough time passes. Also, up at the top. From Seasons 1 to 3, there was a new Captain every season. From Seasons 3 to 5, there was a new First Officer every season. The last time we had this type of turnover in Star Trek was all the way back in the 1960s with TOS, going from "The Cage" to "Where No Man Has Gone Before" to "The Corbomite Maneuver" (the first production episode of regular TOS Season 1 after the pilots).
In-universe: Turnover happens. I liked seeing new bridge crew. So, in a weird way, it's more realistic. That's what you'd expect to see happen after enough time passes. Also, up at the top. From Seasons 1 to 3, there was a new Captain every season. From Seasons 3 to 5, there was a new First Officer every season. The last time we had this type of turnover in Star Trek was all the way back in the 1960s with TOS, going from "The Cage" to "Where No Man Has Gone Before" to "The Corbomite Maneuver" (the first production episode of regular TOS Season 1 after the pilots).
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I don't know if this was the ideal situation for the actors, I hope it worked out well for them, but for me it was the ideal situation for the series. The bridge crew, Owo and Detmer in particular, have been bothering me since season one, and replacing them with semi-anonymous new faces helped bring things back to a Next Gen/Voyager situation, where the focus was firmly on the characters who were allowed to do things.
Okay, the actual ideal situation would've been to keep Owo and Detmer and make better use of them, but it was clear that wasn't going to happen.
Okay, the actual ideal situation would've been to keep Owo and Detmer and make better use of them, but it was clear that wasn't going to happen.
Yeah. The production team definitely should have just swapped out the helm and ops position more often. Then I wouldn't be hearing about "But, muh bridge crew!"
The story isn't about them. Maybe make Owo an ancestor of Ensign Gates just to help it out, amiright?
The story isn't about them. Maybe make Owo an ancestor of Ensign Gates just to help it out, amiright?
I have the day off from work. I'm watching Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.
I'm 20 minutes in and, so far, here's what I'm wondering: Where's this horrible movie everyone's been warning me about? So far, it's fine. This is why I check things out for myself before forming an opinion.
EDITED TO ADD: Pausing. I'm going to address one complaint I've seen before and another that I suspect people have probably brought up.
First, Shia LaBeouf: The only thing I've ever seen him in before was the Transformers movies. I didn't like them. Mainly because it was hard to keep up with all the action scenes (and I say this as someone who saw those movies in my late-20s, I wasn't some dinosaur), and -- other than Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, and Megatron -- I couldn't even tell which Transformer was which. When they were mourning Jazz's death, I thought, "Oh! That was Jazz?" But I didn't have a problem with Shia LaBeouf. He was okay as Spike. I think people didn't like Shia LaBeouf in Indiana Jones because they were thinking too much of Transformers. I don't think that's fair. Shia LaBeouf does a pretty good job playing a '50s greaser who wants to act tougher than he actually is.
Second, I haven't seen this particular complaint before, I don't frequent discussions about Indiana Jones, but I suspect it's probably a thing someone's made a big deal about. Ancient Astronauts. Given all the fantastical stuff from the earlier films, I don't think aliens having visited a long time ago is outside of Indiana Jones' wheelhouse. Especially considering that IRL, there are people who suspect we might've been visited by aliens in the distant past.
DOUBLE-EDIT: Okay. Now I'm starting to see. I don't agree with all of you who said this movie was horrible, but now I see why a lot of you would say it. Marion is back. She's the mother of (looking up Shia LaBeouf's character's name), she's the mother of Mutt. People here are very anti-fan-service in general. But how many years have you known me? You know that stuff doesn't bother me. As long as it makes sense, I don't see it as an issue. Never have. Indiana Jones and Marion got it on after Raiders of the Lost Ark? That's a no-brainer.
FINAL EDIT: Getting to the end. "It wasn't a search for treasure, it was a search for knowledge." That could sum up Discovery Season 5 as well. With the aliens, and the UFO, since Kingdom of the Crystal Skull takes place in the '50s, it's fitting to have a sci-fi theme. I don't see that as a problem. Though I can see some people getting mock-outraged about it. Like I said, I think I can see why people don't like it, but I just have a different opinion if that's the case.
Cate Blancett was good as Irina Spalko. She looks like Louise Brooks in this movie, but reminds of me Blofeld's henchwoman, Irma Bunt, from the James Bond movies if she'd been the main antagonist.
Indiana Jones and Marion get married at the end. Roll credits! Okay. That's the last one on Paramount+. So, I'm going to get something to eat, Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny, then it's back to Discovery to re-watch the final two episodes and "Calypso".
ADDENDUM: I've just finished Dial of Destiny. That was a bit of a slog. I watched it in two sittings. It was weird seeing Indiana Jones in 1969, but it can't be helped with the passage of time. This should definitely be the last one.
I'm 20 minutes in and, so far, here's what I'm wondering: Where's this horrible movie everyone's been warning me about? So far, it's fine. This is why I check things out for myself before forming an opinion.
EDITED TO ADD: Pausing. I'm going to address one complaint I've seen before and another that I suspect people have probably brought up.
First, Shia LaBeouf: The only thing I've ever seen him in before was the Transformers movies. I didn't like them. Mainly because it was hard to keep up with all the action scenes (and I say this as someone who saw those movies in my late-20s, I wasn't some dinosaur), and -- other than Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, and Megatron -- I couldn't even tell which Transformer was which. When they were mourning Jazz's death, I thought, "Oh! That was Jazz?" But I didn't have a problem with Shia LaBeouf. He was okay as Spike. I think people didn't like Shia LaBeouf in Indiana Jones because they were thinking too much of Transformers. I don't think that's fair. Shia LaBeouf does a pretty good job playing a '50s greaser who wants to act tougher than he actually is.
Second, I haven't seen this particular complaint before, I don't frequent discussions about Indiana Jones, but I suspect it's probably a thing someone's made a big deal about. Ancient Astronauts. Given all the fantastical stuff from the earlier films, I don't think aliens having visited a long time ago is outside of Indiana Jones' wheelhouse. Especially considering that IRL, there are people who suspect we might've been visited by aliens in the distant past.
DOUBLE-EDIT: Okay. Now I'm starting to see. I don't agree with all of you who said this movie was horrible, but now I see why a lot of you would say it. Marion is back. She's the mother of (looking up Shia LaBeouf's character's name), she's the mother of Mutt. People here are very anti-fan-service in general. But how many years have you known me? You know that stuff doesn't bother me. As long as it makes sense, I don't see it as an issue. Never have. Indiana Jones and Marion got it on after Raiders of the Lost Ark? That's a no-brainer.
Cate Blancett was good as Irina Spalko. She looks like Louise Brooks in this movie, but reminds of me Blofeld's henchwoman, Irma Bunt, from the James Bond movies if she'd been the main antagonist.
Indiana Jones and Marion get married at the end. Roll credits! Okay. That's the last one on Paramount+. So, I'm going to get something to eat, Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny, then it's back to Discovery to re-watch the final two episodes and "Calypso".
ADDENDUM: I've just finished Dial of Destiny. That was a bit of a slog. I watched it in two sittings. It was weird seeing Indiana Jones in 1969, but it can't be helped with the passage of time. This should definitely be the last one.
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There was never a bridge crew problem so it didn't need fixing.
Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not there.
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