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The only issue with the bridge staff is that audience's expected a larger showing of main cast to have stations on the bridge.

Trek as a whole has had bridge (and in DS9 case bridge and Ops) that have positions that aren't manned by primary cast. With those being played by either extras some of which are short term some of which are long term background with generally no lines", to minor bit players who generally might get basic lines like, "aye sir, course set". To more featured guest actor, with a significantly larger role, like Riley in TOS.

In fact character wise, the bridge crew of Discovery outside the primary cast, are actually very similar in usage to the characters of Sulu, Chekov and Uhura. And outside of the reoccurring Ro Lauren for the 8 episodes she is on the bridge, better realized characters then what TOS, TNG, DS9, and ENT featured for Bridge crew that weren't in the primary cast. And doing so with them generally with 60 episodes or less of screen time. I don't yet include SNW in the comparison at only 20 episodes, but to date DSC bridge crew outside primary cast is more developed.

And in reality the two shows that absolutely have no legitimate reason (in universe) to not have better developed or even the same extra portraying roles are Voyager which has no real means of changing crew and has a rather small compliment of crew. To Enterprise the smallest crew, though its structure does allow the possibility of new crew arriving through the seasons.

Ray Hardgrit, you do make a valid point that we should see other crew persons on the ship (and I mean all of them). Trek has done an utterly piss poor job in showing that multiple shifts for each station would be had every single day. Data's Day on TNG is the only one that I can think of the top of my head that recognizes this in the episode. Instead it's every mission that we see just happens to occur on one set shift when the primary stars are the ones on duty. Very much a weakness in all of Trek.
 
If anyone is curious, though for some reason people lately seem to get offended by any posts about this topic. Yet there used to be posting every week of the ratings of all the Treks back in the day.

Discovery did manage to track in the top ten for its final episode with a total of 269 million minutes viewed, And we actually got for the first time for any trek show in streaming a bit of demographic detail. And that is 2/3rd of its audience was over the age of 50.

Not surprising at all, as Trek is and has been for quite a long time an aging product.

On a strictly ratings side, versus personal opinion of the quality of the program, I was hoping to see more episodes track as preliminary numbers (Paramounts doesn't release prelim) indicate that between 219 to 260 would get you able to track every week. Unfortunately we didn't. So like Picard we have sizable gaps in how the show did (though with discovery thanks to the lower threshold it has smaller possible range for results) while Picard between Paramount not yet tracking for its first two weeks of season 3, actually has the largest possible range of the Trek's as the Threshold for the tenth place was in 2 cases over 400 million minutes.

The Finale (Even with gaps) is absolutely the 2nd strongest performance for this season (thanks to knowing what the tenth place did each week) with an earlier episode reaching a high of 285 million.
Now we will get (eventually in a worse case situation) get ratings for season 2 of Prodigy. Thanks to Netflix far larger base, it could become the most viewed streaming Trek show (since Tracking started). Discovery when it aired on Netflix very likely holds the record for WW views of a streaming original Trek show, but no tracking data whatsoever for that period....Unfortunately.
 
Discovery did manage to track in the top ten for its final episode with a total of 269 million minutes viewed, And we actually got for the first time for any trek show in streaming a bit of demographic detail. And that is 2/3rd of its audience was over the age of 50.
Link for the age/demo breakdown? Not seeing it on the Nielsen Top 10.
 
Discovery did manage to track in the top ten for its final episode with a total of 269 million minutes viewed, And we actually got for the first time for any trek show in streaming a bit of demographic detail. And that is 2/3rd of its audience was over the age of 50.
So about 100 million minutes behind the series finale of Picard.

Ouch.

Wonder if that will make them re-think Academy.
 
So about 100 million minutes behind the series finale of Picard.

Ouch.

Wonder if that will make them re-think Academy.
A fairly substantial difference of 131 million minutes. But lets be very fair, the close of Picard certainly has the potential to pull larger strings then what Discovery could ever hope. And the producers really played their hand well with ending episode 9 with not only having the full cast together but having them on the D.
 
Sets have been built and two high profile actors have been cast. Pretty certain they're committed to the Academy series at this point.
Batgirl got shut down after it had finished shooting and was nearly finished with post production.

Prodigy got shut down when over half the episodes were already finished.

And shows in general get shut down all the time before they've ever shot more then the pilot episode.

Literally all it would take to get Academy shut down is some network executive deciding they wanted to do something different or didn't want to pay the no doubt insane per episode cost of shooting it.


A fairly substantial difference of 131 million minutes. But lets be very fair, the close of Picard certainly has the potential to pull larger strings then what Discovery could ever hope. And the producers really played their hand well with ending episode 9 with not only having the full cast together but having them on the D.
Yea, but it's known that's how you would get the good numbers.

It's why it's frankly insane that they went with Academy over Legacy since Legacy would have let them draw in a good portion of the TNG and VOY crowd.
 
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Yea, but it's known that's how you would get the good numbers.

It's why it's frankly insane that they went with Academy over Legacy since Legacy would have let them draw in a good portion of the TNG and VOY crowd.

I don't understand that at all. Picard only got one particularly good number, for the finale. The other two out of eight weeks that it made the top ten, the numbers were in the same range as Disco and SNW.

Indeed, despite all the hype about the season, the numbers show that viewers dropped off for much of it even as the familiar faces were introduced, only coming back for the end.

Getting a one-off big number for the last ever time that we'll see such a popular crew together says nothing about whether people will watch a hodgepodge of randoms who happen to be from the same era.
 
Batgirl got shut down after it had finished shooting and was nearly finished with post production.

Prodigy got shut down when over half the episodes were already finished.
Batgirl was part of a cinematic universe that WB was going to erase and try again at, so they didn't want too many releases in it. Prodigy wasn't Zaslaved, it was sold. You can tell because there's twenty episode discussion threads in its forum right now.
 
I don't understand that at all. Picard only got one particularly good number, for the finale. The other two out of eight weeks that it made the top ten, the numbers were in the same range as Disco and SNW.

Indeed, despite all the hype about the season, the numbers show that viewers dropped off for much of it even as the familiar faces were introduced, only coming back for the end.

Getting a one-off big number for the last ever time that we'll see such a popular crew together says nothing about whether people will watch a hodgepodge of randoms who happen to be from the same era.
If Discovery had streamed against the same shows Picard Season 3 did it wouldn't have made the Top 10 at all as far as I can see.

Side note, I was off, Picard's series finale was watched 131 million minutes more in the first week than Discovery's/
 
Getting a one-off big number for the last ever time that we'll see such a popular crew together says nothing about whether people will watch a hodgepodge of randoms who happen to be from the same era.
It would be interesting to see the demographic breakdown.

Regardless, like with Pike, I have wanted an Academy show for 30 years now. I hope it gets made.

If not, nothing lost, nothing gained.
 
And shows in general get shut down all the time before they've ever shot more then the pilot episode.
That particular example's not at all relevant since network shows used to always film a pilot and wait for the network to opt on picking it up as a series or not. Streaming shows don't follow that model, and indeed, even the networks are starting to move away from it.
 
If Discovery had streamed against the same shows Picard Season 3 did it wouldn't have made the Top 10 at all as far as I can see.

Disco had 285 for the week of 22 April, which is higher than Picard ranked with for the week of 4 October (276).
 
Donners22

I don't know what the October date is for as Picard didn't air originals anywhere near that date.

I thank what Fatter is stating and I could be wrong. If Discovery aired agains the same shows. Meaning it aired on the same dates It wouldn't have ever tracked in the top ten. If that was their intent then they were accurate. Discovery's peak week, would coincide with the week where the threshold to make the Top Ten was 409 million minutes.

If they instead meant any week of Discovery compared to any week when Picard aired, Then you would be right. And more so. The 285 million minutes on the fourth week of Discovery's run is greater then the threshold on weeks 8 and 9 of Picard (279 and 276).
 
I don't understand that at all. Picard only got one particularly good number, for the finale. The other two out of eight weeks that it made the top ten, the numbers were in the same range as Disco and SNW.

Indeed, despite all the hype about the season, the numbers show that viewers dropped off for much of it even as the familiar faces were introduced, only coming back for the end.

Getting a one-off big number for the last ever time that we'll see such a popular crew together says nothing about whether people will watch a hodgepodge of randoms who happen to be from the same era.
Here is the best case range for the 3 series (this is assuming the very best possible results, which is of course highly unlikely).

Discovery
219 - 285 - Thats the best case range.

Picard
276 - 400 (technically its possible that it had episodes of 408 I think thats unlikely so I don't include it, and two be really technically this is for episodes 3-10, without Paramount releasing Tracking episodes 1 and 2 could technically be even higher, though again I think thats unlikely)

Strange New World
304 - 395

Second statement is something that is not knowable. For all we know episodes 1-4 could have had the lowest score for any of the Picard episodes. And its technically possible that all 4 episodes to start the season actually did better then the finale (I doubt it but it is absolutely possible). Those 4 episodes technically have the best range of the last three live action Trek seasons. (again I think it's very unlikely). As for the episodes 6-9. We know two did worse then episode 5, we also know that two could have done better. With the lack of data, we can actually judge the overall trends of how Picard did.

Third statement. Absolutely true and I have used this for people who state it's foolish to go for a new concept versus going for a "Legacy". We can't make any rational judgment on how either could or would do.
 
We can't make any rational judgment on how either could or would do.
This is most important to remember. People are capricious out their willingness to watch something and see to look for any metric to prove one side or the other.


And, in so doing, endure we'll probably get another TWOK reskin because of perceived popularity.
 
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