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that's why people use tools like classic shell or the Windows 11 debloaters.
I know, I'm the exact same way as those folks.

But that fact that this issue even has to exist shows how out of touch the "Upper Management" is with their core audience and how they need to be relieved of their position.

Things at MS went down-hill fast when Satya Nadella took over as CEO of MS.
 
Yeah, it's a disgrace that people have to fix what they've bought to make it halfway usable.. :rolleyes:
I'd argue that that shifting the start menu is the least of the issues - that's simply changing things from what people are used to that annoys them (I had a client years ago who had software on her system to make sure icons on the desktop stayed in the same place otherwise she got unhappy).

Bigger issues are things like splitting between control panel and settings.

Or dealing with Microsoft 365. Apart from the abomination that it's cockpit (or any pretty much any ai system) they love to fucking fiddle so any documentation that helps solve a problem one month no longer applies the next cos they've changed everything.
 
what

theres a retro computing forums
r/vintagecomputing and r/retrohomelab on reddit and probably others as well.

then you get them on youtube. My Sunday seems a bit empty without a Usagi Electric (usagi = Japanese for rabbit) which is David Lovett down in Texas boy does he get retro (apart from being bery entertaining and a good communicator). Over the past couple yes he's restored a Bendix G15 which is now one of the oldest (2nd iirc) operating digital computers in the world.
 
God I hate what the current Windows team did to the Windows 11 Start Menu.

It's like they intentionally are designed by people who don't use any DeskTop computers in the past 3 decades, just to fulfill a check box to show that they did some work that wasn't necessary.

Yeah, I know right? The first thing I did was go into the personalization options and switch the taskbar to left-justified, or something to that effect. I absolutely hate that it defaults to a centered position. Not only is it butt-ugly while centered, but it's a waste of good screen space. I don't know who decided it was a great idea for a desktop to have a centered taskbar. And yes, I hate the default start menu too. It's the reason why I use the classic shell. It's so much better from a user standpoint when non-touchscreens aren't forced to use a touchscreen designed UI.

It's for reasons like these I wish MS would include more customizablity options when it comes the start menu out of the box. Give users the option for classic style.
 
Yeah, I know right? The first thing I did was go into the personalization options and switch the taskbar to left-justified, or something to that effect. I absolutely hate that it defaults to a centered position. Not only is it butt-ugly while centered, but it's a waste of good screen space. I don't know who decided it was a great idea for a desktop to have a centered taskbar. And yes, I hate the default start menu too. It's the reason why I use the classic shell. It's so much better from a user standpoint when non-touchscreens aren't forced to use a touchscreen designed UI.

It's for reasons like these I wish MS would include more customizablity options when it comes the start menu out of the box. Give users the option for classic style.
I bet you it's some 'Young Whipper-Snapper' PM who never grew up with a classic computer OS and grew up on iOS or Android.

And tries to shape the OS GUI in their experience w/ ZERO care for the entire audience of Windows Users who came before it.
 
I bet you it's some 'Young Whipper-Snapper' PM who never grew up with a classic computer OS and grew up on iOS or Android.

And tries to shape the OS GUI in their experience w/ ZERO care for the entire audience of Windows Users who came before it.

The thing that gets me is that we've all been taught how to maximize our screen space for decades, especially in the CRT days, then someone gets the brilliant idea that the taskbar should be centered. Can you imagine someone trying that on a 4:3 screens?? Well, it's one thing to center a website in terms of reading experience, but it's different when it's your workspace. It's all about workflow, and arguably, one could say a centered taskbar reduces workflow. It's certainly more noticeable and not in a good way. It'd be like a real-world equivalent to someone putting an anvil in the middle of a desk. Sure, you can have it moved, but it's the very idea that someone thought it was a good idea to put it right in the middle of where you work would be baffling.
 
The thing that gets me is that we've all been taught how to maximize our screen space for decades, especially in the CRT days, then someone gets the brilliant idea that the taskbar should be centered. Can you imagine someone trying that on a 4:3 screens?? Well, it's one thing to center a website in terms of reading experience, but it's different when it's your workspace. It's all about workflow, and arguably, one could say a centered taskbar reduces workflow. It's certainly more noticeable and not in a good way. It'd be like a real-world equivalent to someone putting an anvil in the middle of a desk. Sure, you can have it moved, but it's the very idea that someone thought it was a good idea to put it right in the middle of where you work would be baffling.

Doesn’t matter to me if it’s in the centre , same with the start menu it’s selfbut if the fucking thing doesn’t hide then I get annoyed.


Though it’s not as obnoxious on Linux.

And can’t say I miss 4:3 monitors. Last time I used them regularly was when I did a 10month stint working in a call centre but since 2017 it’s been windscreen as the way.

Currently run as 42” ultrawide but can’t use it’s full resolution as Sunshine\Moonlight doesn’t support 5120x1440.
 
And can’t say I miss 4:3 monitors.

Yeah, I don't either. But I mean that in those days, we learned to appreciate what we had to squeeze as much out of the space as we could, and when widescreens came around, it was like an entire kingdom. The centered taskbar reminds me too much of the 4:3 era and feels like a constraint and not a good use of space.
 
Yeah, I don't either. But I mean that in those days, we learned to appreciate what we had to squeeze as much out of the space as we could, and when widescreens came around, it was like an entire kingdom. The centered taskbar reminds me too much of the 4:3 era and feels like a constraint and not a good use of space.

And when you look back you wonder - how did we we manage to live with comparatively low resolution on 14" monitors while those luck enough had unix workstations with 17 and 20" monitors.

Thought it was great a uni getting to use the X-terms with their 17" monitors.

I was running FreeBSD at home I was familiar with the environment though only had a 14" monitor (also learned that C code that compiled on FreeBSD would not compile on Solaris).

Did have a Sun 3/60 that had a 20" monochrome monitor but never managed to get the thing to remote boot.
 
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