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I also put the Apple II up there as one of the first truly useful home computers. It was a powerhouse back in its day, . . .
The supposed superiority of the Apple II architecture was a joke: it had to bankswitch just to access more than 1/4k of memory! And peripherals had to be accessed by where their cards were plugged in, rather than what they were. I have a TRS-80 Mod I (Zilog Z80, vastly superior to the 6502 used by Apple II & Commodore) sealed up in a box. I had a Tandy CoCo II (6809 -- same processor as GIMIX (sp?) microcontrollers, also vastly superior to the 6502). And a Tandy 1000SL (full DOS kernel in ROM!, and an 8MHz 8086). The first thing out of Apple that I liked was the Macintosh. And even then, given that Tandy was building multi-user systems around the 68000, it seemed like taking a V-16 diesel out of a locomotive, and putting it on a mo-ped. I have a DOS/Linux dual-boot tower made mostly from spare parts, a "bionic desk lamp" G4 iMac, a Chromebook, a System76 "Meerkat" Linux box, and my newest acquisition, a refurbished Dell Latitude (C-series) notebook, configured as a DOSbook.

I don't allow WinDoze in the house.

Oh, and I don't do "desktop publishing"; I do digital typesetting. Using Xerox Ventura Publisher. The real Ventura, the DOS/GEM Edition, not the PageFaker knock-off that Corel marketed under its name (in vain). And my go-to typeface family is my own variation of SoftMaker URW Garamond: I changed the digits to "non-lining," and replaced the bold italics with true small caps.

Luddites of the World Unite: You have nothing to lose but your upgrade-treadmills!
 
The supposed superiority of the Apple II architecture was a joke: it had to bankswitch just to access more than 1/4k of memory! And peripherals had to be accessed by where their cards were plugged in, rather than what they were. I have a TRS-80 Mod I (Zilog Z80, vastly superior to the 6502 used by Apple II & Commodore) sealed up in a box. I had a Tandy CoCo II (6809 -- same processor as GIMIX (sp?) microcontrollers, also vastly superior to the 6502). And a Tandy 1000SL (full DOS kernel in ROM!, and an 8MHz 8086). The first thing out of Apple that I liked was the Macintosh. And even then, given that Tandy was building multi-user systems around the 68000, it seemed like taking a V-16 diesel out of a locomotive, and putting it on a mo-ped. I have a DOS/Linux dual-boot tower made mostly from spare parts, a "bionic desk lamp" G4 iMac, a Chromebook, a System76 "Meerkat" Linux box, and my newest acquisition, a refurbished Dell Latitude (C-series) notebook, configured as a DOSbook.

I don't allow WinDoze in the house.

Oh, and I don't do "desktop publishing"; I do digital typesetting. Using Xerox Ventura Publisher. The real Ventura, the DOS/GEM Edition, not the PageFaker knock-off that Corel marketed under its name (in vain). And my go-to typeface family is my own variation of SoftMaker URW Garamond: I changed the digits to "non-lining," and replaced the bold italics with true small caps.

Luddites of the World Unite: You have nothing to lose but your upgrade-treadmills!
You don't understand! I could play Where In The World is Carmen Sandiego on it! In color! IN COLOR!

< flips over table >
 
In general what do most of you think of those machines where the whole OS was built in, built into the mainboard?

TRS-80 era machines I mean like the original and later variants? I had a CoCo the silver slim box version, a Tandy MC10, Model 200, also locally branded machine called the System 80 which I have found later in life was a rebadged Video Genie but basically a TRS-80 clone with a built in tape deck on the side. I regret selling and giving most of those away now
 
In general what do most of you think of those machines where the whole OS was built in, built into the mainboard?

TRS-80 era machines I mean like the original and later variants? I had a CoCo the silver slim box version, a Tandy MC10, Model 200, also locally branded machine called the System 80 which I have found later in life was a rebadged Video Genie but basically a TRS-80 clone with a built in tape deck on the side. I regret selling and giving most of those away now
Fun to play with, to experiment on, but not much else, at least not these days.
 
In general what do most of you think of those machines where the whole OS was built in, built into the mainboard?

TRS-80 era machines I mean like the original and later variants? I had a CoCo the silver slim box version, a Tandy MC10, Model 200, also locally branded machine called the System 80 which I have found later in life was a rebadged Video Genie but basically a TRS-80 clone with a built in tape deck on the side. I regret selling and giving most of those away now
I have a modern version of those machines where BASIC is essentially the OS, the Colour Maximite 2. I bought to do some coding and maybe make a MIDI interface out of it. Instead it sits on a shelf colleting dust next to my TI-99 4a. Of al my 8 bit machines, the Coco was my favorite. It was fun to program on. I still like the immediacy of them, but even with a modern option, I don't find myself using them, as appealing as it seems.
 
On my Tandy SL, I rather liked having the resident part of DOS 3.3 (and a few of the loadable parts, on a ROMdisk) ROM-resident. Before I installed a hard drive (a hardcard, and one built to fit the smaller-footprint case), it saved me from having to have DOS on my working floppy disks, and even with a hard drive, it saved me a few hundred kilobytes on the OS partition. To this day, when setting up partitioning for a DOS machine (most recently with my DOSbook), I set it up with a small "C" volume, a small "D" volume, and most of the space in large volumes starting with "E," and all that comes directly from (1) having to deal with third-party partitioning software under DOS 3.2 at my first job, such that keeping the first volume small was the most efficient use of space and speed, and (2) "D" on my Tandy SL being the ROMdisk.

Of course, now, my DOS machines run IBM PC-DOS 2000.

Oh, and Xerox Ventura Publisher is my "acid test" software: if a box will run VPGem, without crashing, then it is truly capable of functioning as a DOS box, and if a printer purporting to be a PostScript printer will hook up to the DOS box, and accept a PostScript data stream directly out of VPGem, then it's a "real" PostScript printer. (I once drove a custom-built system back to the custom builder because it failed the test, and I likewise drove a very expensive color laser printer back to Staples, because it turned out that it RIPped the PostScript data stream in the driver, rather than in the printer itself.
 
I've got the official IBM PC DOS 2000 package including the whole CD and the really extensive manual. :D
I don't run PC DOS 2000 on my IBM XT, far better to run MS-DOS 5 on something that old, same with PS/2 Model 30's, DOS 5 or bust, 2000 does run peachy on a IBM AT though..:D
 
But if there isn't already DOS (or maybe WinDoze on volume with a DOS-compatible file system) a running on the box, you're not going to be able to install PC-DOS 2000 directly from the CD; it's non-bootable. You should probably get hold of some 1.44M floppy disks, so you can generate an installation set. I had to rather laboriously generate one from a CD (that I had to make, in turn, from an ISO), because *both* of my installation sets had gone bad, by the time I got the Latitude.
 
DOS 2000 was released in 1998, to install it on an old XT or AT machine you have to use another machine to create the diskettes indeed.
DOS 5 came on diskettes, so you can install that easier on XT's or AT's.
I've got a copy of OS/2 Warp, it has an option to make diskettes as well IIRC it creates 15 or 16 diskettes.. :D
 
Oh look this is delightfully weird. It's a PC a C64 and just plain odd.

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I think it is the lack of you providing thoughts, opinions etc to go with the links, add a little background etc etc, you know, just a little bit more than "here's a link! look! look!

As for that computer, yes indeed a bit strange, the way they handled the OS/shell/emulator etc was indeed not very efficient.. also a pair of PS/2 ports would have helped with being able to add a mouse and a better suited keyboard.
 
I think it is the lack of you providing thoughts, opinions etc to go with the links, add a little background etc etc, you know, just a little bit more than "here's a link! look! look!

exactly - something to show the post had actually watch the video rather than posting because it popped up on their youtube history (it was only mine as well). Same for then when they posted a LTT video that was over a year old and really was a no-shit about apple's making their hardware very difficult to get into.
 
I think it is the lack of you providing thoughts, opinions etc to go with the links, add a little background etc etc, you know, just a little bit more than "here's a link! look! look!

As for that computer, yes indeed a bit strange, the way they handled the OS/shell/emulator etc was indeed not very efficient.. also a pair of PS/2 ports would have helped with being able to add a mouse and a better suited keyboard.

Next time I shall flesh it out more with a bit more detail commentary....
 
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