XKCD allows (even encourages) hotlinking.The embed link for each comic is posted right below them.
This has happened a couple of times before, so you'd think there'd be some TrekBBS XKCD exception by now...
Gender and Sexuality in Star Trek
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XKCD allows (even encourages) hotlinking.The embed link for each comic is posted right below them.
This has happened a couple of times before, so you'd think there'd be some TrekBBS XKCD exception by now...
ah, thanks. in that case, this is not against the rules and I'll edit the original post again.
however, since not we can't know which site allow hotlink or not, it would be best if hotlinks to such sites can also mention it is allowed.
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I am surprised that this topic held my interest long enough to get to this point.
Bob, I enjoyed that hotlinked comic strip. Don't let the mods keep ya down.
And maybe it's my genteel Midwestern upbringing, but am I the only one mildly offended by the use of the word "queer"? Where I hail from, it's an insult rather than an accepted description. "GLBT" utilizes more syllables than is accustomed for general conversation, but it is more accurate than simply "queer".
Or maybe it's just because the word "queer" is a pet peeve f mine...
Bob, I enjoyed that hotlinked comic strip. Don't let the mods keep ya down.
And maybe it's my genteel Midwestern upbringing, but am I the only one mildly offended by the use of the word "queer"? Where I hail from, it's an insult rather than an accepted description. "GLBT" utilizes more syllables than is accustomed for general conversation, but it is more accurate than simply "queer".
Or maybe it's just because the word "queer" is a pet peeve f mine...
They want to throw out the Irish?
LGBTQIA, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, intersex, androgyne.
To be fair, we should add the letter C, include those nasty cissexuals.
How is that the right idea? Please elaborate.
This comment reminded me of when Russell T. Davies was up for an award by some Christian group for his Dr. Who episode 'Gridlock'. They thought it espoused Christian ideals, but it was written by a gay atheist. Don't think it won the award sadly.
ST-One
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She didn't make his sexuality an issue in the books.
But when it was to be made an issue she preserved what she had intended for him.
Queer has a very specific meaning within academic discourse (as does for example coon) and it's hardly surprising that a mainstream academic text on the subject is going to use the term.
Oh, it's an issue. That's it? Really? Why does it have to be an issue? Is it an issue that Harry likes Cho Chang and, later, Ginny Weasley? Is it an issue that Ron and Hermione like each other, that Snape had a thing for Harry's mom? And if not, why not?
I am surprised that this topic held my interest long enough to get to this point.
Bob, I enjoyed that hotlinked comic strip. Don't let the mods keep ya down.
And maybe it's my genteel Midwestern upbringing, but am I the only one mildly offended by the use of the word "queer"? Where I hail from, it's an insult rather than an accepted description. "GLBT" utilizes more syllables than is accustomed for general conversation, but it is more accurate than simply "queer".
Or maybe it's just because the word "queer" is a pet peeve f mine...
I understand where you're coming from, and I myself try not to use the word except in certain specific contexts.
This is a function of the fact that some LGBT rights advocates have been trying to re-claim "queer" as a sort of all-inclusive positive label rather than a pejorative one. The area where this has been most successful is in referencing the concept of "Queer Theory" (a specific model of human sexuality wherein sexual orientations such as heterosexuality or homosexuality are seen as social constructions rather than intrinsic to a person's nature).
ST-One
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It's not an issue issue. Don't get so bent out of shape.
Is his sexuality relevant? No.
The movie-makers wanted to put a little spot light on Dumbledore's private life, and they would have given him the wrong sexual orientation, as per Rawlings intentions for the character.
If they now address in the last two movies any relationship Dumbledore had in the past, I hope they do it in a matter-of-fact fashion, without any further comments, raised eyebrows or whatever. But I doubt they will, since Dumbledore's sexuality has nothing whatsoever to do with the overall story (though it might give him an even more tragic background if he had an even deeper relationship with...
... [the readers of the books know whom; the movie-goers will have to find out])
^ Yes.
Not everything about a character needs to be explained upfront. From the perspective of this viewer/reader it is actually more satisfying for the filmaker/author to leave important aspects unshown/unwritten - something there for me to imagine - perhaps something completely out of my comfort space.
It's a two-way street, after all.
What is unshown or unwritten may become something I might not have ever considered if the filmaker/author had not drawn me along the tangential possibility and then left me there to make my own way out.
I like that. A lot.
An example of what I mean is the first 2 X-Men movies re: Xavier and Magneto. Underplayed, lots of sub-text, wonderfully delivered.
As for posters having an issue with the word "queer," what is this silliness? I'm not American so I'm genuinely curious. Deep unhappiness with "faggot" I get. But queer?
Not everything about a character needs to be explained upfront. From the perspective of this viewer/reader it is actually more satisfying for the filmaker/author to leave important aspects unshown/unwritten - something there for me to imagine - perhaps something completely out of my comfort space.
It's a two-way street, after all.
What is unshown or unwritten may become something I might not have ever considered if the filmaker/author had not drawn me along the tangential possibility and then left me there to make my own way out.
I like that. A lot.
An example of what I mean is the first 2 X-Men movies re: Xavier and Magneto. Underplayed, lots of sub-text, wonderfully delivered.
As for posters having an issue with the word "queer," what is this silliness? I'm not American so I'm genuinely curious. Deep unhappiness with "faggot" I get. But queer?
The gay characters in NuBSG are quite cool. There is an episode where one is strolling along the street with his young nephew reminiscing about strolling the street looking at guys when he was younger. If just tumbled out during the scene and I wasn't even sure I'd heard it right. Then in a later epsiode they introduce his husband. Hubbie hasn't been seen since and they focus far more on him being a thug, a killer, and being a bad influence on his nephew because of that than they do his sexuality. It's just something there that may or may not be relevant in the future.
Omar in the Wire was another great gay character in terms of it only being nominally important to his story arc i.e. some bad stuff happens to his boyfriends but the sex and sexuality of the characters is incidental to plot which could be exactly the same with female partners without changing the story much at all.
The BBC version of State of Play also has a couple of intriguing gay characters (an MI6 agent and a Republican politician's aide) but sadly they were edited out in the shorter movie version.
Omar in the Wire was another great gay character in terms of it only being nominally important to his story arc i.e. some bad stuff happens to his boyfriends but the sex and sexuality of the characters is incidental to plot which could be exactly the same with female partners without changing the story much at all.
The BBC version of State of Play also has a couple of intriguing gay characters (an MI6 agent and a Republican politician's aide) but sadly they were edited out in the shorter movie version.
Pauln6 is talking about the BSG prequel, Caprica.
Gaeta was shown to be bisexual in "The Face of the Enemy," a series of webisodes set after "Sometimes a Great Notion." He is shown having a relationship with an 8 (in flashbacks to New Caprica) and with Hoshi.
Cain was probably a lesbian. In "Razor," as she was in a relationship with Gina.
Baltar, D'Anna, and Caprica had a threesome in "The Eye of Jupiter," if you want to count that (I believe that's the correct episode).
That's about it for gay text on the series that I can remember. Caprica, of course, features a prominent gay character (Sam Adama) as well as a character in a functioning group marriage.
Gaeta was shown to be bisexual in "The Face of the Enemy," a series of webisodes set after "Sometimes a Great Notion." He is shown having a relationship with an 8 (in flashbacks to New Caprica) and with Hoshi.
Cain was probably a lesbian. In "Razor," as she was in a relationship with Gina.
Baltar, D'Anna, and Caprica had a threesome in "The Eye of Jupiter," if you want to count that (I believe that's the correct episode).
That's about it for gay text on the series that I can remember. Caprica, of course, features a prominent gay character (Sam Adama) as well as a character in a functioning group marriage.
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