Garrett Wang on his original role in PIC S3.
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It's a slow news week and they need click bait.
Or, they're like me. After Harry got shut out of Picard, reduced to a graphic no one was supposed to see on Prodigy, and stuck at ensign seven times over on Lower Decks, it's understandable to have doubts. Especially since that alternate version of the wall did exist; I just can't find any screenshot of it now.
I will celebrate Harry's promotion on January 15, when and only when the wall with his name on it is visibly shown. Because until then, they can still take it back.
They’re not going to do that. Stop being so cynical lol
There is no conspiracy to keep Harry Kim as an ensign forever
In fact many of the non-canon materials have him being promoted, all approved by CBS/Paramount, whoever
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It has nothing to do with doubts, they’re just chasing clicks on something we’ve known for months for revenue.
If they really cared they would have made the article months ago when yhe wall was first shown.
Although, we never did see Prime Harry Kim in that Lower Decks episode, so there's nothing to say he didn't make Lieutenant once Voyager made it back to Earth.
Hmm, writing this post, I just thought about something they could do in the Academy series to mention Harry's promotion in dialogue. Maybe have the Doctor make some comment about "some people really need to earn their first promotion, like my old friend Harry Kim..."
Personally, my head canon has always been that Harry left Starfleet after Voyager returned to Earth and gained acclaim and notoriety on the professional clarinet circuit.
Kim was the first person to activate the Doctor for a medical emergency, so I guess he’s a special case, but this is someone who has presumably been online for the best part of a millennium.
There were some comments from Picardo about the EMH’s inability to make meaningful attachments due to his different perspectives on length of existence of the EMH vs most life forms which I find hopeful.
I do hope. The problem is both discovery and academy are too far in the future. We’re not talking 2480, when evens from the late 2300s will be notable and could be reasonable to mention on occasion (like tng occasionally referenced TOS)
However this isn’t 1987 any more, we aren’t seeing 26 episode seasons with under 100 episodes of previous stuff, and that makes it harder for a series to stand on its own. Academy will add, if we’re lucky, 50 episodes to 1000 episodes of canon, and that will take half a decade. TNG doubled the Trek content in under 4 years, it could stand on its own far easier.
There were some comments from Picardo about the EMH’s inability to make meaningful attachments due to his different perspectives on length of existence of the EMH vs most life forms which I find hopeful.
I do hope. The problem is both discovery and academy are too far in the future. We’re not talking 2480, when evens from the late 2300s will be notable and could be reasonable to mention on occasion (like tng occasionally referenced TOS)
However this isn’t 1987 any more, we aren’t seeing 26 episode seasons with under 100 episodes of previous stuff, and that makes it harder for a series to stand on its own. Academy will add, if we’re lucky, 50 episodes to 1000 episodes of canon, and that will take half a decade. TNG doubled the Trek content in under 4 years, it could stand on its own far easier.
When Voyager was first introduced, one of the descriptions of Harry was "he's just an ensign, but hopefully Janeway will start handing out some field promotions..."
When hopes are denied enough, cynicism is to be expected.
He's been systematically denied in-canon advancement of any sort for 31 years. So if it's not a conspiracy, it's the next best thing.
So? He was promoted in two, and almost certainly three in-canon timelines as well. But it never sticks.
That's why we never saw prime Harry after Voyager. Any person with common sense knows that once he's free of the "command structure", AKA Kathryn Janeway's iron boot, he's probably sticking lieutenant pips on his collar in days, if not hours. So to preserve the "eternal ensign" trope, he can never be seen or mentioned.
There are a lot of ways. Just as there were a lot of ways they could have done it on Picard, Lower Decks, or Prodigy. A quick reference to the character would have sufficed.
It's conceivable. Harry returns to Earth, then quickly realizes that with 7 years of ensignhood and a formal reprimand on his record, his Starfleet career is in the crapper. So, he does something else with his life. Playing the licorice stick is one of many possibilities.
You’re looking way too far into this, and taking it way too seriously
Agreed. Having Tuvok and Harry...when Seven is a regular would be a bit much VOY love all at once. Especially with no DS9 - even Worf reverted to TNG mode.
Besides, Shelby and Ro blowing up? Riker had a GREAT Season!
With the exceptions of Wesley Crusher (who lives "outside of normal space and time" at this point) and Seven of Nine (whose humanity they brought back and subsequently killed off for fun), the writers of Picard killed off every returning character who was under 30 when their original series premiered.
Character, Actor, Series Premier Data, Actor's Age at "Their Series" S1E1
Wesley Crusher, Wil Wheaton, TNG (Sept 28 1987), 15
Ro Laren, Michelle Forbes, TNG (Sept 28 1987), 22
Hugh, Jonathan Del Arco, TNG (Sept 28 1987), 21
Shelby, Elizabeth Dennehy, TNG (Sept 28 1987), 27
Bruce Maddox, Brian Brophy, TNG (Sept 28 1987), 28
Julian Bashir, Alexander Siddig, DS9 (Jan 3 1993), 27
Jadzia Dax, Terry Farrell, DS9 (Jan 3 1993), 29
Ezri Dax, Nicole de Boer, DS9 (Jan 3 1993), 22
Nog, Aron Eisenberg, DS9 (Jan 3 1993), 23
Harry Kim, Garrett Wang, VOY (Jan 16 1995), 26
Seven of Nine, Jeri Ryan, VOY (Jan 16 1995), 26
Kes, Jennifer Lien, VOY (Jan 16 1995), 20
Icheb, Manu Intiraymi, VOY (Jan 16 1995), 17
Dahj Asha/Soji Asha/Sutra, Isa Briones, PIC (Jan 23 2020), 20
Elnor, Evan Evagora, PIC (Jan 23 2020), 23
If Wang had done a 30 second cameo to bring back Ensign Harry Kim on Picard, it would have been to establish Species 8472 joining the Rogue-Borg alliance by showing the 3 feasting on Kim's corpse. Only a DNA test showing he is somehow Beverley Crusher's son could have saved him. Unless the writers mistakenly let Jack II live thinking he was Beverly's first husband, who would have been 36 when TNG premiered.
If they'd brought back Bashir, Dax, or Kes; their fates would have been sealed too.
I may have been the only person that laughed when Shelby finally got her dream job after ~35 years and is killed on presumably her first day in the chair. Picard was a meatgrinder, especially for young characters and actors. S1 was a bloodbath, and only Icheb's death was a gut punch. For S2 and S3, only Elnor and Ro's deaths were meaningful or surprising at that point. I hated the Shelby character and was glad to see her gone. Kim would have been different.
Character, Actor, Series Premier Data, Actor's Age at "Their Series" S1E1
Wesley Crusher, Wil Wheaton, TNG (Sept 28 1987), 15
Ro Laren, Michelle Forbes, TNG (Sept 28 1987), 22
Hugh, Jonathan Del Arco, TNG (Sept 28 1987), 21
Shelby, Elizabeth Dennehy, TNG (Sept 28 1987), 27
Bruce Maddox, Brian Brophy, TNG (Sept 28 1987), 28
Julian Bashir, Alexander Siddig, DS9 (Jan 3 1993), 27
Jadzia Dax, Terry Farrell, DS9 (Jan 3 1993), 29
Ezri Dax, Nicole de Boer, DS9 (Jan 3 1993), 22
Nog, Aron Eisenberg, DS9 (Jan 3 1993), 23
Harry Kim, Garrett Wang, VOY (Jan 16 1995), 26
Seven of Nine, Jeri Ryan, VOY (Jan 16 1995), 26
Kes, Jennifer Lien, VOY (Jan 16 1995), 20
Icheb, Manu Intiraymi, VOY (Jan 16 1995), 17
Dahj Asha/Soji Asha/Sutra, Isa Briones, PIC (Jan 23 2020), 20
Elnor, Evan Evagora, PIC (Jan 23 2020), 23
If Wang had done a 30 second cameo to bring back Ensign Harry Kim on Picard, it would have been to establish Species 8472 joining the Rogue-Borg alliance by showing the 3 feasting on Kim's corpse. Only a DNA test showing he is somehow Beverley Crusher's son could have saved him. Unless the writers mistakenly let Jack II live thinking he was Beverly's first husband, who would have been 36 when TNG premiered.
If they'd brought back Bashir, Dax, or Kes; their fates would have been sealed too.
I may have been the only person that laughed when Shelby finally got her dream job after ~35 years and is killed on presumably her first day in the chair. Picard was a meatgrinder, especially for young characters and actors. S1 was a bloodbath, and only Icheb's death was a gut punch. For S2 and S3, only Elnor and Ro's deaths were meaningful or surprising at that point. I hated the Shelby character and was glad to see her gone. Kim would have been different.
It wasn't just Voyager characters. There was also TNG characters Hugh, Maddox, Shelby and Ro Laren. Guinon and Wesley were the few that survived the cameo purgeThat would have been really shitty of them to do to Wang and the character. Icheb all over again. PIC, with the exception of Seven, would have been known as the VOY character maimer. Murder Icheb, murder Kim, and torture Tuvok.
And Q. Sort of.
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