Gap between the decommissioning of the NX-01 and launch of the NCC-1701

[Ralphis]

TNG specifically states that the Enterprise-D is the fifth Federation starship named Enterprise. But since Trek is full of inconsistencies =D, I do think you can retcon that into meaning that the Enterprise-D was just the fifth Enterprise in the 1701 family. Maybe there were other ships named Enterprise between the NX-01 and the original 1701, but due to the legendary adventures of the original 1701, it became the tradition from that point give all ships named Enterprise the 1701 registry, with the corresponding letter (A, B, C, D, E, etc).

Just a theory.

 

[Kemaiku]

Plus, the Galaxy class was already on the books when the C was destroyed, but still years away from the production line, so Starfleet also probably thought it best to save the D until then.

Nope. 2355.

 

[Tenacity]

These include the first names of Hikaru Sulu and Nyota Uhura for example.

The only place we've heard "Nyota" is in a alternate universe, Uhura's first name in the prime universe is still unknown.

It is canon that the Romulan War was fought between 2156 and 2160

Years are from where please? If it from the viewscreen from In A Mirror Darkly, the Defiant uniforms in that episode had a different insignia that the insignia seen on the dead bodies in sickbay in The Tholian Web.

as per the Federation Charter, the United Earth Starfleet, MACO, and the deep space and defensive services of the other member worlds were folded into the authority of the Federation and all operations slowly were regulated solely by Starfleet Command, answering to the Federation Council and the Federation President.

In canon, we seen the first few lines of the charter, and also there have been some isolated quotes and references.

None of what you've claimed is known to be in the charter.

Thus, the UFP Starfleet was the United Earth Starfleet of ENT

No, the "UFP Starfleet" didn't exist in the time period of ENT.

the Enterprise-D was just the fifth Enterprise in the 1701 family

This make a lot of sense.

 

[Dukhat]

TNG specifically states that the Enterprise-D is the fifth Federation starship named Enterprise. But since Trek is full of inconsistencies =D, I do think you can retcon that into meaning that the Enterprise-D was just the fifth Enterprise in the 1701 family. Maybe there were other ships named Enterprise between the NX-01 and the original 1701, but due to the legendary adventures of the original 1701, it became the tradition from that point give all ships named Enterprise the 1701 registry, with the corresponding letter (A, B, C, D, E, etc).

Just a theory.

But doesn't the dedication plaque say 'Fifth starship to bear the name?" If that's the case, then registries wouldn't matter.

 

[The Wormhole]

Although, not officially canon, since the game developers have to ask for approval from CBS, we can surmise that some of the story lines in the game can be temporarily canon until something is officially shared onscreen (TV or film)

There's no such thing as "temporary canon." Either something is canon, or it isn't. And stuff from the online game, regardless of who approves it, is not canon. Even stuff from Gene Roddenberry's TMP novelization that wasn't in the movie is non-canon.

Taking place 10 years prior to the Original series, Star Trek Discovery will take place in only a fraction of the 84 year gap. So perhaps in the new upcoming series they might throw in an Enterprise, giving us another starship and crew to the linage and fill in the gap of events that occurred between ENT and the new show.

The 1701 was in service for twenty years prior to TOS. If an Enterprise shows up in Discovery, ten years before TOS it will be the 1701.

Tatv was interpolated actions based on historical record. The actions in "a good that men do" fits what was presented on screen perfectly, and for far better with the holes in TATV (like the rank issue, the lack of aging, etc). It fits the canon, and ties in the the post-nemesis world.

It's still non-canon, and so is the post-Nemesis world it ties in with. The only thing post-Nemesis that is canon is that Romulus is destroyed.

The only place we've heard "Nyota" is in a alternate universe, Uhura's first name in the prime universe is still unknown.

Oh, come on! Everyone else has the same name between the two universes, in fact in all of Star Trek there is only one time in which an alternate universe version of anyone was planned to have a different name, but as that never made it on screen we don't have to count it.* So if Uhura's first name is given as Nyota in one reality, it's Nyota in all realities. And besides, given it was Nichelle Nichols herself who thought up Nyota, it damn well better be Uhura Prime's first name.

*The Mirror Universe version of Enterprise character Maxwell Forrest is identified in the script of In a Mirror, Darkly as Maximilian Forrest.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Apparently it was a matter of months, as covered earlier in the thread

They were on Scotty time, so it was actually weeks.

 

[TheSubCommander]

The way I choose to explain the long gap between the NX-01 and NCC-1701 is simply that the tradition of the Federation needing to have a ship named Enterprise didn't start until after Kirk.

The NX-01 may have been in Starfleet, but it wasn't a Federation ship. It was a celebrated Earth ship, sure, but it was never part of the Federation. The Federation didn't think to have a ship named Enterprise, until the NCC1-1701, as homage to the NX-01, but in the beginning, the 1701 was just another ship in the fleet. It wasn't until after April, Pike, and especially Kirk, that the name Enterprise was legendary for the Federation, thus the tradition began at that time. So, I don't really see the time between the NX-01 and NCC-1701 as a gap.

NX-01: 2151-2161
1701: 2245-2285
A: 2286-2293
B: 2293-23??
C: 2332-2345
D: 2363-2371
E: 2372-Present

There are presumably only two real gaps, the NX-01 was retired as a Columbia class after the Romulan War and made a museum ship. Naming another ship Enterprise may not have gone over well with many species in the 2160's and the name was kept in reserve for some time.

Enterprise C to D mainly out of respect for the sacrifice of the C.

Yeah, I think the gap between the C and D was both out of respect, as well as waiting to name the latest and greatest shio Enterprise. The loss of the Enterprise-C was seen both as heroic to both the Klingons and the Federation alike, but it was probably also jarring to lose it in battle with the Romulans. At the time, the Ambassador class ships were pretty advanced. I mean they could have simply named another Ambassador class ship Enterprise, but I think out of both respect to the C, and also just the mindset that if they were going to build another ship and name it Enterprise, it was going to be the next generation of ship. No pun intended! Really!

Sort of like how when the WTC was destroyed, they could have built another WTC somewhere else, and not as tall, but they ended up using the same site and built an even taller building in defiance of the former's destruction.

So, maybe the Federation waited for the Galaxy class to come online just to stick it to the Romulans as a statement that they may have destroyed the Enterprise-C, but we have this new, and far more powerful ship. And by the way, it's name is Enterprise-D!

 

[C.E. Evans]

The way I choose to explain the long gap between the NX-01 and NCC-1701 is simply that the tradition of the Federation needing to have a ship named Enterprise didn't start until after Kirk.

The NX-01 may have been in Starfleet, but it wasn't a Federation ship. It was a celebrated Earth ship, sure, but it was never part of the Federation. The Federation didn't think to have a ship named Enterprise, until the NCC1-1701, as homage to the NX-01, but in the beginning, the 1701 was just another ship in the fleet. It wasn't until after April, Pike, and especially Kirk, that the name Enterprise was legendary for the Federation, thus the tradition began at that time.

That works for me.

I also tend to think that each Enterprise after TOS are all technically NCC-1701, with the suffix letters simply an easy way of determining the eras.

 

[Tenacity]

But doesn't the dedication plaque say 'Fifth starship to bear the name?" If that's the case, then registries wouldn't matter.

It only being the fifth 1701 would make sense, or the fifth starship to have been in Federation service. We know that Earth had at least two warp drive starships named Enterprise, they are obviously not in the count of five.

For some reason.

The only thing post-Nemesis that is canon is that Romulus is destroyed.

There are a few more, Voyager had some scenes and one entire episode that were set post Nemesis.

And besides, given it was Nichelle Nichols herself who thought up Nyota ...

William Rotsler in 1982 actually.

 

[Dukhat]

It only being the fifth 1701 would make sense, or the fifth starship to have been in Federation service. We know that Earth had at least two warp drive starships named Enterprise, they are obviously not in the count of five.

For some reason.

Before ENT, there was never any question that the Enterprise-D was the fifth starship Enterprise, Federation/Starfleet or not. Even the ring ship shown in TMP was never questioned to be some previously unknown Federation/Starfleet starship that fucked up the count.

Then ENT comes along with it's previously completely unknown, retconned Enterprise NX-01, and people freak out. But there's really no problem, because the NX-01, presumably like the ring ship before it, was just an Earth ship that had nothing to do with the count (and still doesn't.) There could be 100 ships named Enterprise that came before the NCC-1701, and it wouldn't change the number of Federation/Starfleet Enterprises.

Now, as for the "1701?" That's just a quirk of the "Enterprise." The Enterprises nil, A, B, C, D, and E could all have had different registry numbers but would still have only included just those ships in the count.

Voyager had some scenes and one entire episode that were set post Nemesis.

What episodes of Voyager that took place post-Nemesis weren't wiped from the timeline with a reset button?

 

[The Wormhole]

There are a few more, Voyager had some scenes and one entire episode that were set post Nemesis.

Alternate timelines don't count.

William Rotsler in 1982 actually.

Nichols took credit for it in a DVD interview, whatever that's worth.

 

[Tenacity]

Martin Luther king created the name Nyota, and then told Nichols during one of their frequent visits.

 

[B.J.]

Voyager had some scenes and one entire episode that were set post Nemesis.

What episodes of Voyager that took place post-Nemesis weren't wiped from the timeline with a reset button?

Alternate timelines don't count.

The only thing that wasn't reset (that I can recall) is the episode "Living Witness". Unfortunately, it doesn't tell us squat about the state of the Federation in ~3074, only that it obviously hasn't expanded to that part of the Delta Quadrant.

 

[The Wormhole]

Oh, yeah, I forgot about Living Witness. But as you say, that doesn't cover anything in the Federation or Alpha Quadrant.

 

[Ronald Held]

It is useful to remember that the NX-01 is an Earth Starfleet ship, not a Federation Starfleet ship.

 

[Tenacity]

Kirk's Enterprise was also a Earth ship ... sometimes.

 

[The Wormhole]

Kirk's Enterprise was also a Earth ship ... sometimes.

Only in the episodes written before Gene Coon arrived and created the Federation.

 

[dswynne1]

Here's how you resolve the conundrum: pay no attention to canon. Do what Gene Roddenberry frequently did by picking and choosing what you wish to respect and ignore. In this case, Picard's proclamation was a slip of the tongue, while Riker and Troi from TATV had wrong information (it was a Romulan plot to discredit the Federation's most famous vessel). There, problem solved. ;-)

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

In the (Prime Universe) United Federation of Planets Starfleet there have been 6 ships to bear the name Enterprise:

USS Enterprise NCC-1701 (2245–2285)
USS Enterprise NCC-1701-A (2286–2293)
USS Enterprise NCC-1701-B (2293–2329)
USS Enterprise NCC-1701-C (2332–2344)
USS Enterprise NCC-1701-D (2363–2371)
USS Enterprise NCC-1701-E (2372–still active in 2379)

Before the UFP there have been at least 3 Earth spacecraft/spaceships/starships Enterprise:

Enterprise OV-101
Enterprise XCV-330
Enterprise NX-01 (2151–2161)

All this is canon, excluding of course the various Mirror/Kelvin universes/timelines.

 

[Tenacity]

Before the UFP there have been at least 3 Earth spacecraft/spaceships/starships Enterprise:

Enterprise OV-101

Kind of a stretch to call the OV-101 Enterprise a "spacecraft."