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Spoilers Game of Thrones: The Final Season

Given my distaste with the previous two episodes, I was pleasantly surprised by the finale. It was fairly low-key and kind of rushed in places as this whole season has been, but it wrapped up the major character arcs about as well as can be expected after the poor handling (IMO) of Dany and Grey Worm in the run-up to the finale. It wasn't flawless but it was enjoyable and didn't have me groaning at the screen the whole time. I'd give it a "B+".

I thought it was a little unbelievable that Grey Worm would take Jon prisoner for weeks awaiting submission to someone else's authority on deciding his fate after Jon assassinated Daenarys. Maybe old Grey Worm (and by that I mean the one from two episodes ago), but not the new unthinking murderbot Slay Worm. I think after losing Missandei losing Daenarys would have pushed him over the edge to kill Jon right away, especially since he doesn't know of Jon's heritage and Jon bent the knee so he was no longer King in the North or of any significant rank to Grey Worm. I think given a lack of other intervening leadership he would have just executed Jon ASAP. They could have spent a little time showing that perhaps Arya and Davos organized the remaining Northern troops to square off against the Unsullied and Dothraki to prevent his immediate execution and Grey Worm backed off rather than have that abrupt transition to the "trial" at the dragon pit.

Likewise, it was damn considerate of Drogon to not BBQ Jon on the spot for assassinating his mama. Tyrion once suggested that some consider dragons to possibly be smarter than humans, so I guess we're supposed to take away from that that either Drogon recognized Jon's Targaryen-nes and let him go for that reason, or he recognized that Daenarys had become corrupted by the pursuit of power and that's why he took a sudden interest in Westerosi geopolitics and melted the metaphor for the political status quo in Westeros, the Iron Throne. Either way, given both the above and the Grey Worm thing, Jon's plot armor was in full effect in the finale.

Daenarys's armies respawn like nobody's business. Suddenly there are thousands of Dothraki again, even more than in the last episode. Clearly a shitload of them hung back at Winterfell instead of going on the Charge of the Lord of Light's Brigade and nearly all dying (and yes, I know the next episode said half survived, but that was never supported visually). But knowing that, why would Benioff and Weiss say "This is effectively the end of the Dothraki" (the warriors, at least) after The Long Night? Weird.

Drogon had a bunch of great moments in this. The shot of the episode for me was when we first see Danaerys at the top of the steps and Drogon lands behind her and his wings silhouette her like devil's wings. It's about as subtle as a jackhammer, but it was an amazing shot. This is followed up by Dany and Drogon surveying the Unsullied and Dothraki troops over the burnt landscape of the city in the best Imperial style. Then there was when Jon went to see Dany and Drogon awoke fron beneath a pile of ash to surprise him. That was a "holy shit!" moment. And of course, finally, his realization that Dany had been killed and burning of the Iron Throne and carrying her body off presumably to Valyria, possibly to make some more dragon eggs or to die in solitude.

Tyrion crying over the clutched bodies of Jaime and Cersei was heartbreaking. Even after all she had done to him and all they had done together, Tyrion just wanted the love of his family and to protect them and their child from harm. His confrontation with Daenarys and throwing away of the Hand pendant knowing full well the consequences of his actions in freeing Jaime was very well done.

Interestingly for all of his talk of not wanting to be the Hand, by pushing for the nomination of King Bran (now with two scoops of raisins), Tyrion has effectively made himself de facto King, at least for local affairs, because Wargopedia is going to always be in standby mode trying to find Drogon, creeping on Sansa, watching Jon in his travels in the North, or if he's installed some long range birds on Arya's ship (Yacht Today? A Boat Has No Name?), seeing where she's going to the west of Westeros. I suppose he'll also be scanning the borders of the realm looking for trouble spots, unless he goes all Dr. Branhattan and tunes out from the world again.

However her character ended up, after eight seasons of driving towards it, there should have been a Daenarys ascending to the Iron Throne scene.

I laughed my ass off like someone was proposing Westerosi democracy (sorry Sam) at Dungeon Master Edmure trying to throw his hat in the ring for kingship and getting told to sit down by Sansa. Considering Cersei was just offering Bronn Riverrun less than a month ago, that means Lannister forces still held it, so was he still being held as a hostage at The Twins by the Lannister and what surviving Frey forces there might be until Cersei was dethroned?

Brienne filling out Jaime's LinkedIn profile page was a sweet and poignant moment, but she didn't mention what he told her about why he was the Kingslayer, and that he did it to save King's Landing from wildfire destruction by the Mad King. Given the fact that it was burned down by the Mad King's daughter anyway, it might have earned Jaime a new appreciation among the common folk and nobles alike.

With the exception of the unearned abruptness of Dany's heel-turn to full genocide (and to a much lesser extent Grey Worm, who was always pretty kill-ey, but had a sense of honor), I'm pretty satisfied with how everything turned out, and it managed to keep me surprised on a few fronts too.

I wouldn't have expected Roll-Eyes Raven Bran to become King Bran the Broken (first order of business, change that shit name) or Arya (Leif Aryakson / Faceless Mangellan?) to set sail to the New World (even though she had mentioned it once before to the actress in Season 6 before returning to her murder-list), but I'm happy to see both developments. Sansa retaining the autonomy of the North and becoming the Queen in the North made sense and was what I expected. Grey Worm taking the Unsullied back to protect Naath to honor Missandei was nice, which is about the most I can say about the character post-genocide.

The new Small Council is hilarious. It's a shame we won't get to see them at work, because I could watch that all day. And (I assume) Brienne knighted Podric, since now he's Ser Podric, Kingpusher. Well-earned.

I know it's damn unlikely, but I'd love to see some follow-up HBO films set ten years after like Tyrion suggested to show everyone's progress and whether they were able to sustain this experimental government or if more of the kingdoms had Wexited like the North did. The Iron Born didn't seem too happy and are always independence minded, and the Dorne will probably only stay so long as there's a marriage proposal to Bran, which who knows if he's even interested in such earthly pursuits anymore.

I got the distinct impression from Jon's wistful turn back at the closing of the gate at the Wall that he might just say fuck it and stay North of the Wall with his BFF Tormund and Ghost (Jon and Ghost scene FTW), and they'll adopt some Wildling kids with Uncle Benjen dropping by from time to time to play hide-and-seek with them. What is even the function of the Night's Watch now except as a dumping off point for everyone's undesirables? What are they, like a snow patrol now? Park rangers? I'm a little surprised that Grey Worm accepted Jon's "punishment" so easily; it was like the Klingons accepting Kirk's demotion to captain in ST-IV, they were essentially giving him back what he always meant to do.

Because the show was kind of ending on a semi-happy note, as Jon and the Wildlings headed North I half expected there to be a new Night King pattern in the snow to indicate that the cycle never ends and there will always be more of the White Walkers to the North.

Overall, it was a roller coaster of a final season with some really questionable decisions, but I was satisfied with the finale for the most part and enjoyed it, and nothing can take away my appreciation of the series as a whole. What a long strange trip it's been (except from Winterfell to Kings Landing and back, which was a five minute journey).
 
I've just skimmed the episode this morning when i got ready for work to see if major events played out like i suspected and they did, mostly concerning Dany. Will watch the full episode later today but even if i hadn't spoiled myself GoT didn't throw a Hail Mary at the very end as was usual when they had Martin books to fall back on.

However i was really entertained when i watched the usual reaction videos on YT and there is one channel with 2 young women - both Dany and Jaime fans to the core and boy were they PISSED at last weeks episode :D

I think no on should be surprised that Dany lost it and was killed.. that was apparent throughout the season when she became ever more ruthless and ambitious, she was easy to be provoked but still listened to the advice of her council but that got more difficult from season to season.

So we got a Hollywood ending and now i only wonder what Martin's book version will do.. if it's true that the producers kept to the main storyline and events from Martin's notes and the conversations they had with him it bodes ill for Martin and it may be the reason why he's taking such a long time to finish the series. Is he showing his nerves when he sees the fan backlash (a petition to redo Season 8 with competent writers? Really?) and is thinking hard how to salvage this series?
 
Well that could have gone a lot worse...could have gone a lot better too, but after last episode, that ship has already sailed. In terms of finales I think I'd place it somewhere between 'These Are The Voyages' (insultingly tone-def) and 'Daybreak: Part 3' (we painted ourselves into four separate corners at once so...All-the-survivors-get-a-happy-ending...THE END!!!)
 
I think it’s going to be stable for a while because all the powerful people are decent people who are okay with each other and not ambitious for more. Bran is King but Tyrion is the real decision maker.

I’m not so worried about ten years. Thirty, forty years, fifty years. When Bran’s health starts failing and the next generation of ambitious people are rising. Unless Tyrion crafts some kind of constitution limiting the King’s power, the power struggle to succeed Bran will start the wheel turning again. The power struggle to win those votes next time will be underhanded and vicious. The wheel has not stopped, just the brakes have been firmly applied.

In terms of finales, I put it way above the Lost/BSG level of “Seriously?” but well below the Breaking Bad level of “PERFECT!”
 
My extended thoughts on the episode, broken down:

Act 1 was basically all about Jon getting up the nerve to get stabby with it on Dany. I actually think it was relatively well done, although D&D were stupid to direct it themselves. Dany's motivations become more clear - she sees herself as a sort of Napoleon/Lenin analogue, and that she is always righteous (which is why she cannot rule). I was happy that Tyrion actually got some dialogue in the prison cell where you could see the shadow of the formerly much more intelligent character he was. Kit was acting his heart out here, and deserves mad props. I honestly didn't even mind Drogon deciding to melt the Iron Throne down. Dragons are supposed to be intelligent animals, and the implication is that Drogon could tell that her quest for the throne was ultimately what killed her, more than Jon's dagger through the heart.

Act 2 was more or less the kingsmoot in the dragon pit, with a few scenes with Jon locked in a room as well. It was just fucking awful - unmitigated garbage. Picking Bran was such an asspull, and Tyrion's defense of why Bran would make a great King also seemed flimsy. Indeed, I almost felt like Peter Dinklage was purposefully not giving his best in the scene because it was so ridiculous. It made no narrative sense we suddenly see lords who aren't even characters. And it made no sense within universe that characters from minor houses like Brienne and Davos were there (at least Davos had the sense to say something about that). Sansa's declaration of independence made no sense, and yet it wasn't sensibly followed up by the Iron Islands and Dorne also declaring independence.

But the worst thing by far IMHO was the decision to railroad Jon into the Night's Watch against his wishes. It made no sense that the unsullied knew he killed Dany unless he stupidly confessed - which admittedly he might do. It made no sense they didn't just kill him on the spot either. Maybe they were effectively keeping him as hostage as a bargaining chip? But then Grey Worm stands their impotently while Tyrion frees himself from imprisonment and a "deal" is worked out whereby Jon goes into exile, - even though the Unsullied have no way of enforcing his exile after they leave. This is all particularly awful because the proper thematic choice here was for Jon to willingly exile himself to the north after Dany dies, setting aside his claim to the throne. It's been amply proven Jon doesn't want the throne anyway, and he's a broken man after being party to the slaughter and then having to kill the woman he (supposedly) loved. I could easily see him rationalizing - from both his own experiences and that of Ned - that a man like him just does not belong anywhere near the iron throne - that power will always turn a good man sour or worse - and just walk away. They'd still need to figure out the whole succession pickle, but at least the setup wouldn't be as much of a head-scratchier.

Act 3 was the extended epilogue where we get to see where all the main characters end up. I didn't really hate this section, as long as I forgot Act 2. But I do dislike the decision to have characters end up in jumped up positions (I'm looking at you Brienne, Pod, Bronn, and Sam) just because they were major characters and there was a desire to give some people a "happy ending." I liked the Small Council meeting, largely because it reminded me of better seasons of GOT. Yet at the same time, I couldn't help but wonder how they rebuilt King's Landing so rapidly. Things just felt too neat and pretty at the end, with basically everyone getting the ending they wanted, except for poor Jon, who was a sourpuss till the end.

Really, this should have been two episodes. There should have been credits after the fade to black following Drogon carrying Dany's body away. The shift in tone between that scene and the next was just jarring. In some ways I think that would have been a more fitting ending to the series - even though people would be angry as hell that so many of the major plot points remained unresolved.
 
I basically dislike what the writers did to Dany in the last two episodes. It was character assassination. She deserve a better ending than this.
Welcome to the same club as Jorah, Tyrion, and Jon! All of you were hoodwinked by a pretty package even though the writing has been on the wall. Shoot, did you not notice how similar her vision was to how the throne room appeared?
 
Hm, I suppose that was the case...but that certainly wasn't clear to me. Maybe it will when I rewatch the episode.
I'm not sure about it either. While watching the show, I chalked it up to him still be sad over Dany. Him having to kill her must've been traumatic! That's all I got.

And, yes, I too wanted to throw things at him as he hummed and hawed over whether Dany had gone bad! But, at least it was consistent portrayal of a character who really wasn't the brightest!
 
I basically dislike what the writers did to Dany in the last two episodes. It was character assassination. She deserve a better ending than this.

Dany was not a good person.

She wanted power because she felt she deserved it due to birth right. Her morality only extended to things that didn't get in the way of the Iron Throne. She thought the end justified the means.

Even if she wasn't as evil as some people in the show, she was still evil. People refused to see it because they saw an attractive enpowering female leader. The first to oppose her were people worse than her and that allowed a smokescreen to hide her violent nature behind the pretence of fighting for justice. Her greatest strength was hiding in plain sight.

I have no doubt G R.R Martin will make her the villain over the course of the last two books and the show runners were told this was her fate by Martin long ago.
 
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David and Dan intentionally allowed - and even promoted - the propagation of viewers' perceptions of Dany as a hero without considering - or possibly even caring to consider - how audiences were going to react if they then went "yeah, no, she's a villain", both in terms of the character's overall arc and in terms of her place in the wider arena of popular culture, and so it consequently feels disingenuous, unearned, and like a personal betrayal.

People can point to all of the times that Dany did things or reacted in ways that weren't so heroic, but the problem is that the writers never bothered to highlight those actions/reactions as being problematic or disconcerting.
 
People can point to all of the times that Dany did things or reacted in ways that weren't so heroic, but the problem is that the writers never bothered to highlight those actions/reactions as being problematic or disconcerting.
You're right, they didn't spoon feed people. Throughout the series, they showed her behavior along with a lot of foreshadowing. And then they systematically removed her advisors, friends, and lover who had all helped control her baser instincts.

The outcome of such a combination is obvious, but, yes, less observant viewers didn't put these pieces together so it seemed to come out of the blue to them.

It also highlights how a pretty package can hide many vile things. In fact, because you are supposedly a student of literature (or something), you might say it was a theme that GRRM and the show developed.

Basically, you took that deception hook, line, and sinker! Back to school for you!
 
So, one thing I'm wondering now is if Bran being king seems such an asspull because the character that ends up on the throne in GRRM's books either doesn't exist in the show, or has already been killed by D&D.

For example, maybe the endgame is actually that Jon realizes that fAegon would actually make a better ruler than Dany or himself? So the endgame is really his betrayal of her - despite having fought together - for the greater good of the realm and his family?
 
You're right, they didn't spoon feed people. Throughout the series, they showed her behavior along with a lot of foreshadowing. And then they systematically removed her advisors, friends, and lover who had all helped control her baser instincts.

The outcome of such a combination is obvious, but, yes, less observant viewers didn't put these pieces together so it seemed to come out of the blue to them.

It also highlights how a pretty package can hide many vile things. In fact, because you are supposedly a student of literature (or something), you might say it was a theme that GRRM and the show developed.

Basically, you took that deception hook, line, and sinker! Back to school for you!

Even Emelia Clarke viewed Dany as a hero until she got the Season 8 scripts.

This wasn't a case of David and Dan planting signs that people ignored; this was a case of them choosing not to counter - and even fueling - an incorrect perception of the character that transcended the narrative and spilled into real life.

If there's one silver lining in all of this, it's that future audiences won't have to suffer the cruelty of being lied to.
 
This wasn't a case of David and Dan planting signs that people ignored; this was a case of them choosing not to counter - and even fueling - an incorrect perception of the character that transcended the narrative and spilled into real life.

Nope.
 
I dunno, ending was just alright I guess. Bran was a huge ass-pull, didn't see where Tyrion was going at all. Should have at least come up that Jon was rightful heir and that he was declining and choosing to go north rather than being banished. No idea why no one else changed their minds about the new king after Sansa decided to opt out, either. Second she did that, expected a wave of 'yeah, maybe separate kingdoms would be better?' but everyone else decided to just fold and stay with the 6 Kingdoms.

Not sure of the point of the Night's Watch with what they showed. Either needed a hint that the threat wasn't gone forever, or that they were protecting from the (now somewhat more friendly) Wildlings, or something. As it was shown, they just exist to guard against a threat we're told was eliminated. To be fair, only saw Jon on the Watch, the rest were Wildlings, so he may not be in charge of anyone at the moment. Suspect that between Winterfell and battle of Castle Black, the former Watch was all slaughtered anyway, so some rebuilding there. I'd have preferred Jon to just BE with the Wildlings north of the wall since the threat was over.

Fine with Dany, just wish they'd done a better job with her along the way, or done a better job highlighting the trigger at the end, or something. She needed to be shown trying to fly off the handle in earlier seasons and have the advisors more clearly temper that, even if subtly that's what was happening. Just felt rushed and not earned at the end; totally different character from 2-3 episodes ago.

Not an awful ending, but hopeful that GRRM gets moving on the books again and we can get the bigger, more fleshed out version...
 

Yes.

Dany didn't become a cultural heroic icon because millions of people chose to ignore the non-heroic things she did and the non-heroic way she reacted to certain situations; she was perceived as a hero because David and Dan didn't bother to highlight the problematic things she did as being problematic and even went so far as to fuel the perception of those things as in fact being heroic.

I'm hesitant to make this comparison because it might open up a huge can of worms, but David and Dan choosing not to disabuse people of their perception of Dany as a heroic icon - and even going so far as to actively fuel that perception - is somewhat akin to a serial killer or sexual predator 'presenting' themselves as harmless and not caring about the people that were harmed by that 'false front'.
 
Given my distaste with the previous two episodes, I was pleasantly surprised by the finale. It was fairly low-key and kind of rushed in places as this whole season has been, but it wrapped up the major character arcs about as well as can be expected after the poor handling (IMO) of Dany and Grey Worm in the run-up to the finale. It wasn't flawless but it was enjoyable and didn't have me groaning at the screen the whole time. I'd give it a "B+".

I thought it was a little unbelievable that Grey Worm would take Jon prisoner for weeks awaiting submission to someone else's authority on deciding his fate after Jon assassinated Daenarys. Maybe old Grey Worm (and by that I mean the one from two episodes ago), but not the new unthinking murderbot Slay Worm. I think after losing Missandei losing Daenarys would have pushed him over the edge to kill Jon right away, especially since he doesn't know of Jon's heritage and Jon bent the knee so he was no longer King in the North or of any significant rank to Grey Worm. I think given a lack of other intervening leadership he would have just executed Jon ASAP. They could have spent a little time showing that perhaps Arya and Davos organized the remaining Northern troops to square off against the Unsullied and Dothraki to prevent his immediate execution and Grey Worm backed off rather than have that abrupt transition to the "trial" at the dragon pit.

Likewise, it was damn considerate of Drogon to not BBQ Jon on the spot for assassinating his mama. Tyrion once suggested that some consider dragons to possibly be smarter than humans, so I guess we're supposed to take away from that that either Drogon recognized Jon's Targaryen-nes and let him go for that reason, or he recognized that Daenarys had become corrupted by the pursuit of power and that's why he took a sudden interest in Westerosi geopolitics and melted the metaphor for the political status quo in Westeros, the Iron Throne. Either way, given both the above and the Grey Worm thing, Jon's plot armor was in full effect in the finale.

Daenarys's armies respawn like nobody's business. Suddenly there are thousands of Dothraki again, even more than in the last episode. Clearly a shitload of them hung back at Winterfell instead of going on the Charge of the Lord of Light's Brigade and nearly all dying (and yes, I know the next episode said half survived, but that was never supported visually). But knowing that, why would Benioff and Weiss say "This is effectively the end of the Dothraki" (the warriors, at least) after The Long Night? Weird.

Drogon had a bunch of great moments in this. The shot of the episode for me was when we first see Danaerys at the top of the steps and Drogon lands behind her and his wings silhouette her like devil's wings. It's about as subtle as a jackhammer, but it was an amazing shot. This is followed up by Dany and Drogon surveying the Unsullied and Dothraki troops over the burnt landscape of the city in the best Imperial style. Then there was when Jon went to see Dany and Drogon awoke fron beneath a pile of ash to surprise him. That was a "holy shit!" moment. And of course, finally, his realization that Dany had been killed and burning of the Iron Throne and carrying her body off presumably to Valyria, possibly to make some more dragon eggs or to die in solitude.

Tyrion crying over the clutched bodies of Jaime and Cersei was heartbreaking. Even after all she had done to him and all they had done together, Tyrion just wanted the love of his family and to protect them and their child from harm. His confrontation with Daenarys and throwing away of the Hand pendant knowing full well the consequences of his actions in freeing Jaime was very well done.

Interestingly for all of his talk of not wanting to be the Hand, by pushing for the nomination of King Bran (now with two scoops of raisins), Tyrion has effectively made himself de facto King, at least for local affairs, because Wargopedia is going to always be in standby mode trying to find Drogon, creeping on Sansa, watching Jon in his travels in the North, or if he's installed some long range birds on Arya's ship (Yacht Today? A Boat Has No Name?), seeing where she's going to the west of Westeros. I suppose he'll also be scanning the borders of the realm looking for trouble spots, unless he goes all Dr. Branhattan and tunes out from the world again.

However her character ended up, after eight seasons of driving towards it, there should have been a Daenarys ascending to the Iron Throne scene.

I laughed my ass off like someone was proposing Westerosi democracy (sorry Sam) at Dungeon Master Edmure trying to throw his hat in the ring for kingship and getting told to sit down by Sansa. Considering Cersei was just offering Bronn Riverrun less than a month ago, that means Lannister forces still held it, so was he still being held as a hostage at The Twins by the Lannister and what surviving Frey forces there might be until Cersei was dethroned?

Brienne filling out Jaime's LinkedIn profile page was a sweet and poignant moment, but she didn't mention what he told her about why he was the Kingslayer, and that he did it to save King's Landing from wildfire destruction by the Mad King. Given the fact that it was burned down by the Mad King's daughter anyway, it might have earned Jaime a new appreciation among the common folk and nobles alike.

With the exception of the unearned abruptness of Dany's heel-turn to full genocide (and to a much lesser extent Grey Worm, who was always pretty kill-ey, but had a sense of honor), I'm pretty satisfied with how everything turned out, and it managed to keep me surprised on a few fronts too.

I wouldn't have expected Roll-Eyes Raven Bran to become King Bran the Broken (first order of business, change that shit name) or Arya (Leif Aryakson / Faceless Mangellan?) to set sail to the New World (even though she had mentioned it once before to the actress in Season 6 before returning to her murder-list), but I'm happy to see both developments. Sansa retaining the autonomy of the North and becoming the Queen in the North made sense and was what I expected. Grey Worm taking the Unsullied back to protect Naath to honor Missandei was nice, which is about the most I can say about the character post-genocide.

The new Small Council is hilarious. It's a shame we won't get to see them at work, because I could watch that all day. And (I assume) Brienne knighted Podric, since now he's Ser Podric, Kingpusher. Well-earned.

I know it's damn unlikely, but I'd love to see some follow-up HBO films set ten years after like Tyrion suggested to show everyone's progress and whether they were able to sustain this experimental government or if more of the kingdoms had Wexited like the North did. The Iron Born didn't seem too happy and are always independence minded, and the Dorne will probably only stay so long as there's a marriage proposal to Bran, which who knows if he's even interested in such earthly pursuits anymore.

I got the distinct impression from Jon's wistful turn back at the closing of the gate at the Wall that he might just say fuck it and stay North of the Wall with his BFF Tormund and Ghost (Jon and Ghost scene FTW), and they'll adopt some Wildling kids with Uncle Benjen dropping by from time to time to play hide-and-seek with them. What is even the function of the Night's Watch now except as a dumping off point for everyone's undesirables? What are they, like a snow patrol now? Park rangers? I'm a little surprised that Grey Worm accepted Jon's "punishment" so easily; it was like the Klingons accepting Kirk's demotion to captain in ST-IV, they were essentially giving him back what he always meant to do.

Because the show was kind of ending on a semi-happy note, as Jon and the Wildlings headed North I half expected there to be a new Night King pattern in the snow to indicate that the cycle never ends and there will always be more of the White Walkers to the North.

Overall, it was a roller coaster of a final season with some really questionable decisions, but I was satisfied with the finale for the most part and enjoyed it, and nothing can take away my appreciation of the series as a whole. What a long strange trip it's been (except from Winterfell to Kings Landing and back, which was a five minute journey).
Ditto.

*wonders if Martin didn't allow reveal about the id of the Night King b/c he's going to address that in the prequel books or if showrunners hope people won't mind in the rush to the end.
 
Yes.

Dany didn't become a cultural heroic icon because millions of people chose to ignore the non-heroic things she did and the non-heroic way she reacted to certain situations; she was perceived as a hero because David and Dan didn't bother to highlight the problematic things she did as being problematic and even went so far as to fuel the perception of those things as in fact being heroic.

I'm hesitant to make this comparison because it might open up a huge can of worms, but David and Dan choosing not to disabuse people of their perception of Dany as a heroic icon - and even going so far as to actively fuel that perception - is somewhat akin to a serial killer or sexual predator 'presenting' themselves as harmless and not caring about the people that were harmed by that 'false front'.
Wrong. I was actively rooting against Dany from the beginning because she was obviously an entitled, looney toon whack. D&D and GRRM set up her turn perfectly fine from season one. If the Dany lovers couldn't see the obvious, that's their problem for completely ignoring what was right in front of their faces.
 
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