Spoilers Game of Thrones: The Final Season

[Agony_Boothb]

I'm hesitant to make this comparison because it might open up a huge can of worms, but David and Dan choosing not to disabuse people of their perception of Dany as a heroic icon - and even going so far as to actively fuel that perception - is somewhat akin to a serial killer or sexual predator 'presenting' themselves as harmless and not caring about the people that were harmed by that 'false front'.

This has got to be one of the most ludicrous, inane and over the top comments I've read on here. Seriously. What is wrong with you? Benioff and Weiss are hacks, no argument there, but to compare them to serial killers and sexual predators? Get fucking real. It's a god damn tv show.

Should have kept this one in your brain box.

 

[DigificWriter]

D&D and GRRM set up her turn perfectly fine from season one. If the Dany lovers couldn't see the obvious, that's their problem for completely ignoring what was right in front of their faces.

Whatever you say, dude.

This has got to be one of the most ludicrous, inane and over the top comments I've read on here. Seriously. What is wrong with you? Benioff and Weiss are hacks, no argument there, but to compare them to serial killers and sexual predators? Get fucking real. It's a god damn tv show.

Should have kept this one in your brain box.

You were so hellbent on attacking me that you didn't bother to actually think about what I was saying and the point I was trying to make, which is that David and Dan deliberately chose to lie to millions of people by not attempting to present Dany as being anything other than a cultural heroic icon and even fueling people's perceptions of her as such, just as a serial killer or a sexual predator might present themselves to the entire world as being harmless when they're anything but.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

You were so hellbent on attacking me that you didn't bother to actually think about what I was saying and the point I was trying to make, which is that David and Dan deliberately chose to lie to millions of people by not attempting to present Dany as being anything other than a cultural heroic icon and even fueling people's perceptions of her as such, just as a serial killer or a sexual predator might present themselves to the entire world as being harmless when they're anything but.

I got what you're saying. You're comparing Benioff and Weiss to serial killers and sexual predators. Big reach over something inane as a tv show.

Dany has been presented with borderline psychopathic tendencies plenty of times. Her whole breaker of chains schtick in Essos was purely so she could build a power base and win people over so she could then go to Westeros and burn cities. It was never about breaking the wheel. Sorry you couldn't see that.

 

[Booji]

Whatever you say, dude.



You were so hellbent on attacking me that you didn't bother to actually think about what I was saying and the point I was trying to make, which is that David and Dan deliberately chose to lie to millions of people by not attempting to present Dany as being anything other than a cultural heroic icon and even fueling people's perceptions of her as such, just as a serial killer or a sexual predator might present themselves to the entire world as being harmless when they're anything but.

Wrong. They did not intentionally lie to anyone. The Dany fanclub was being willfully ignorant of the story the past seven seasons. It's all laid out for everyone to see.

 

[bigglesworth]

Not a bad ending to what, for the most part, was an amazing television series.

Since S2, I kept going back and forth about reading the books; On one hand I wanted to enjoy the story and not be spoiled but on the other, I knew there was a lot in the novels that wasn't being covered in the show and I was probably missing out on a lot of introspective of the various characters. Now that GoT is over, I guess it's about time I pick up those books.

I will say that I don't think Dany's arc was handled very well, at least in S8. She went from a young woman with immense power trying to do right in an evil world, throughout S3-S7 and part of S8, to Adolph Hitler over the span of half an episode. Her buildup over the course of 7 plus seasons was fantastic... then Hitler. Her turn to bad was almost as out of left field as Anakin Skywalker's in Revenge of the Sith. A good villain, IMHO, is one the audience can sympathize with. If we (the audience) had witnessed this slow moral decay of her character, her actions in S8E5 and her subsequent death at the hands of Jon would have had more impact and felt more tragic.

Drogon's actions were a bit confusing to me as well. I get that dragons are intelligent, but I don't know why he would recognize the iron throne as the symbol for all of the politicking and bad in the world or even care for that matter. HE'S A DRAGON FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! It may have worked it bit better if Drogon tried to torch Jon and melted the iron throne in the process. Now there would be two potential outcomes for this. Either Jon is incinerated and that's the end of his story, or the dragonfire doesn't hurt him as he is a Targaryen, in which Drogon thinks, okay this guy's legit, and snatches Dany's body and flies off to who knows where.

The best parts of the episode was of course Peter Dinklage. His scene with Jaime and Cersei, his prison scene with Jon and the small council scene were wonderfully acted. I'm not sure GoT would be the giant that it became without Dinklage's involvement.

 

[Gary7]

Anyone else not get how EVERYONE knew Jon killed Dany? No witnesses. Drogon took her away so the body and evidence was gone. Perhaps a little blood on the floor... but he could've wiped that clean. Eh, knowing Jon Snow, he probably confessed it to the Grey Worm. He does stupid shit like that. Like surrogate father like son.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Anyone else not get how EVERYONE knew Jon killed Dany? No witnesses. Drogon took her away so the body and evidence was gone. Perhaps a little blood on the floor... but he could've wiped that clean. Eh, knowing Jon Snow, he probably confessed it to the Grey Worm. He does stupid shit like that. Like surrogate father like son.

Yeah, I just figured Jon did the "honorable" thing and 'fessed up to killing her. Because that's what he does.

 

[Gary7]

If I were Bran the Broken, I think my first royal decree would be for people to stop calling me Bran the Broken.

Bran: "I tire of the jokes. My legs are broken. I don't need my name to remind me. Call me Bran the Cleanser. I clean everything with the truth."
Brienne: "Your Grace, you do know that bran also cleanses your colon, right?"

 

[JoeZhang]

just as a serial killer or a sexual predator might present themselves to the entire world as being harmless when they're anything but.

I like a drink myself mate but if you find yourself drinking hard spirits in the day or sniffing glue, you know it's time to get help.

 

[Noname Given]

With all the walking around scenes this finale had, they should have used:

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^^^
This song for the background music.

 

[Mudd]

You were so hellbent on attacking me that you didn't bother to actually think about what I was saying and the point I was trying to make, which is that David and Dan deliberately chose to lie to millions of people by not attempting to present Dany as being anything other than a cultural heroic icon and even fueling people's perceptions of her as such, just as a serial killer or a sexual predator might present themselves to the entire world as being harmless when they're anything but.

This statement really expresses a fundamental lack of understanding of what it is that writers do and why they do it.

 

[Gary7]

 

[bigglesworth]

Even though I did enjoy S8 and how the series ended overall, this is funny.

 

[Mr Awe]

This wasn't a case of David and Dan planting signs that people ignored; this was a case of them choosing not to counter - and even fueling - an incorrect perception of the character that transcended the narrative and spilled into real life.

If there's one silver lining in all of this, it's that future audiences won't have to suffer the cruelty of being lied to.

Wow, you're really doubling-down on sticking your head in the stand! Just because you and bunch of others missed many signs it doesn't mean they weren't there.

 

[Mr Awe]

David and Dan akin to a serial killer or sexual predator 'presenting' themselves as harmless and not caring about the people that were harmed by that 'false front'.

Ok, you just went to looney tunes land with that. And, I'm being polite with that description. What the fuck is wrong with you?!

 

[Mr Awe]

With all the walking around scenes this finale had, they should have used:

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Love that song!

 

[Tarek71]

They handled Dany brilliantly. They got lots of people to fall in love as Jorah, Tyrion and Jon did with a transparently megalomaniacal, arrogant, vindictive, entitled, petty, privileged woman with delusions of grandeur who was hell bent on being Empress of the World. She said she would take what is "hers" with fire and blood, and she did so. And by "hers" she means the entire planet.

 

[theenglish]

Cross-posted from elsewhere:
David and Dan intentionally allowed - and even promoted - the propagation of viewers' perceptions of Dany as a hero without considering - or possibly even caring to consider - how audiences were going to react if they then went "yeah, no, she's a villain", both in terms of the character's overall arc and in terms of her place in the wider arena of popular culture, and so it consequently feels disingenuous, unearned, and like a personal betrayal.

People can point to all of the times that Dany did things or reacted in ways that weren't so heroic, but the problem is that the writers never bothered to highlight those actions/reactions as being problematic or disconcerting.

Then D&D were doing their job. Their job is not to protect the precious feelings of viewers who become way to invested in a fictional story and name their children after characters.

Secondly, Dany is not a villain in the sense we are supposed to be against her, even though she may have committed villainous acts and will probably continue to do so. I really liked how she was portrayed in the final episode. Her final scenes show that she is still on a quest to free the people and take down the masters. The problem is that she is willing to go to extreme lengths to do this and has lost sight of the people she wants to help. She is a classic tragic figure and we are meant to feel for her in the end.

 

[Spider]

Dani can live through a burning inferno without a hair singed, yet gets killed by a knife. I guess that's for the same reason immortal vampires can be killed with a tent stake.

 

[Mudd]

Dani can live through a burning inferno without a hair singed, yet gets killed by a knife. I guess that's for the same reason immortal vampires can be killed with a tent stake.

Well, there is that.

If I had hung in with the show and was, as someone said, "invested" in Dany at this point I think I'd be pretty unhappy at her turn. Not unhappy enough to sign a petition or insist that the creators had done it "wrong," somehow.