Game Of Thrones Season 6 Discussion (Spoilers)

[Takeru]

Then you're giving her WAY more credit than I ever have. She's a spoiled, selfish brat. Always has been. She did what she did in S1, not to avoid conflict, but to make sure that she got her chance to play princess/queen.

The spoiled, selfish brat was Arya! Look at the Stark girls back in season 1, Sansa was a bit stuck up and naive and dreamed about the south but it was her fathers choice to have her marry Joffrey and make her a princess/queen, after that decision had been made she played the role she was supposed to, that of a good (future) wife.
Ned even defended Sansa not telling the truth about Joffrey because unlike Arya he realized that she was in a difficult situation, what was she supposed to say, "Joffrey started it because he's a little shit and then he cried like a bitch after he lost!"? That was not an option, as his future wife Sansa was supposed to be loyal to Joffrey, she also wanted to be loyal to her family so she did the best she could in that situation, she claimed not to remember so that she didn't have to blame anyone. If she was as selfish as you claim she could have easily sided with Joffrey, she didn't do that, she was very aware of the situation and her position.

And Arya? Like I said above, she was the spoiled, selfish brat. She did what she wanted, disregarded all expectations of society, was disrespectful and rude and she got away with it because her father was top dog in the north. She continued to act like that even when the royal family was around, she didn't care about them or their position, all she cared about was what little princess Arya wanted and she certainly knew how to act like a princess even if she didn't look the part like when the guards wouldn't let her into the red keep, she was VERY quick to point out that she was Arya Stark, her father was hand of the king and demanded to be let in immediately.

In stories like this the tomboyish girl always seems to be more popular and appealing than the girly girl who wants to get married and have babies even if the tomboy is kind of a bitch.

 

[Claudia]

I thought Sansa back in season 1 was naive, granted... but she thought she deserved to be queen. That wasn't a role she played (that started with season 2, perhaps).

BTW, where is Ghost?

"You know nothing, Jon Snow" applies not only to Ramsay's cruelty (during the whole Rickon sequence I practically screamed that sentence at my TV *lol), but also to his parentage and true standing in society. Also nice foreshadowing.

And I did love that White Raven announcing Winter has come to those who stand in heavy snowfall.Talk about being obvious (and a bit late).

And one other point: Since Jaime might be on the fence regarding Cersei, will he actually go against the Starks this time who have Brienne at their side (if she can make her way back to Winterfell which apparently takes longer than Arya getting to Westeros)?

And yes, Dany's conversation with Tyrion was another highlight of the episode.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

And I did love that White Raven announcing Winter has come to those who stand in heavy snowfall.Talk about being obvious (and a bit late).

I hear that the Westerosi meteorological service has taken quite a battering on the social media ravens for its inefficiency.

 

[dahj]

BTW, where is Ghost?

He took one look at the CGI budget for the Dragons and ran away.

 

[Mr Light]

So.... what was the point of bringing back the Hound from his death scene two seasons ago....?

 

[Venardhi]

He'll eventually end up defeating zombie Gregor I suspect. With fire, most likely.

 

[dahj]

So.... what was the point of bringing back the Hound from his death scene two seasons ago....?

Besides him being an interesting character?
He knows Littlefinger screwed over Ned Stark and he's heading North...

Also, there's still hope for Cleganebowl!

 

[Mr Light]

But.... why bring him back this season? He contributed nothing to the larger story.

Wait, I forgot which show this was

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Why should that matter? His story was interesting on its own. Further, as others have already stated, it's probably set-up for a future storyline.

 

[Claudia]

I thought the Hound's return wasn't really that interesting, especially as they practically dedicated a whole episode to him...

 

[UssGlenn]

it's probably set-up for a future storyline.

I expect that his joining up with the brotherhood is important and whenever that comes in to play it will make more sense that he has been with them for a while, so they couldn't wait till next season to have him show back up.

 

[JWPlatt]

...Up in the North, Jon Snow is finally revealed to be son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark...

Nope. We only know that Lyanna is the baby's mother. The father's name was not audible, if mentioned. Nor was the baby's name audible, if mentioned. As for the the baby's identity, only the actual editing - not the dialog - heavily implies it is was Jon. It's not as tight as you believe.

 

[dahj]

As for the the baby's identity, only the actual editing - not the dialog - heavily implies it is was Jon.It's not as tight as you believe.

C'mon. It's Jon.

This show had some strange twists, however I doubt it will be revealed Ned just threw Lyanna's baby in the river and then actually banged some random wench to produce Jon...

 

[JWPlatt]

C'mon. It's Jon.

This show had some strange twists, however I doubt it will be revealed Ned just threw Lyanna's baby in the river and then actually banged some random wench to produce Jon...

You're probably right about that. But when writers won't unequivocally commit, I don't assume anything.

 

[intrinsical]

Nope. We only know that Lyanna is the baby's mother. The father's name was not audible, if mentioned. Nor was the baby's name audible, if mentioned. As for the the baby's identity, only the actual editing - not the dialog - heavily implies it is was Jon. It's not as tight as you believe.

It's simple. Revealing that Jon is a Stark contributes greatly to the overall arc of the current story. It gives Jon legitimacy to be King of the North. Revealing the identity of Jon's father at this point is premature. I'm sure the showrunners are just saving that reveal for a later date.

 

[JWPlatt]

That's a nice thesis conclusion. I'll break this down a bit:

It's simple.

Has Game of Thrones always been as predictable as you would have written it?

Revealing that Jon is a Stark contributes greatly to the overall arc of the current story.

This an expectation that makes assumptions. The writers would like to keep things surprising to hold interest. That means going against, or twisting, the assumptions.

It gives Jon legitimacy to be King of the North.

If also gives him a long way to fall, and a dramatic course against expectations, if that later becomes untrue to the viewer. It would be more shocking if it's not at all what we expect. It's likely that a lot of viewers want or expect Jon to win in the end as the rightful heir. That should immediately raise suspicions about where the writers might go.

Revealing the identity of Jon's father at this point is premature.

Correct. So why are people so sure that episode 10 finally confirmed the R of R+L=J?

 

[Lapis Exilis]

Correct. So why are people so sure that episode 10 finally confirmed the R of R+L=J?

Because we all know that Lyanna was carried off to Dorne by Rhaegar, who wouldn't exactly endanger his entire kingdom for a woman only to stand by while she lies with and bears the child of another man. Because the Targaryen kingsguard, sworn to protect the royal line, was stationed outside the Tower of Joy rather than being on the battlefield with Rhaegar, who was killed in their absence. Because Ned, clearly not Jon's father, lied to his beloved wife, his beloved king and everyone else, by claiming Jon as his own - for which there is absolutely no reason except if Jon is a Targaryen, the line Robert was busily working on stamping out. If you can come up with some alternate explanation for all of these things, there might be reason to speculate that Jon's father is someone other than Rhaegar, otherwise, all the evidence clearly points to him.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

The episode didn't spell who the father was explicitly. It requires the viewer to have been paying attention to the snippets of information that have been inserted here and there throughout the series. On Sky in the UK, Thronecast had an item detailing all the pieces of info that confirm that R = Rhaegar.

 

[Cyrus]

What Lyanna was saying in that scene made it clear who the father is. She was saying "Ned promise me. If Robert finds out.." Yeah, that is not 100% proof about the identity of the father, or even proof that the baby is Jon. But come on. We all know what it implied. Maybe they spell it out later (when Bran tells the story to Jon or someone else), but for now that is good enough for me.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

David Benioff and D.B. Weiss confirm there are only 13-15 episodes left.

It’s two more seasons we’re talking about. From pretty close to the beginning, we talked about doing this in 70-75 hours, and that’s what we’ll end up with. Call it 73 for now.

Damn, this really bums me out. While I'm glad they're focusing directly on an endgame (hence so many dropped bodies in the finale), I would have preferred two full seasons.

Plus, it'll feel like the final two books will have a lot missing from the show if and when they're released (granted Benioff and Weiss don't have them to work from).