Game Of Thrones Season 6 Discussion (Spoilers)

[Evil Twin]

How did the executioner get off the list anyway? He was one of the original listers. Did he die in a scene I forgot about or did Arya just decide to reprieve him because he didn't give the order?

Well, the actor who played Ilyn Payne dropped out of the show due to being diagnosed with what appeared to be terminal cancer at the time (he was able to beat it and is fine now as far as I know) so the show basically quietly forgot about Payne. Had he stuck around, he likely would've been the one to train with Jaime, rather than Bronn, as per the books.

One thing I forgot to mention, it was great seeing the direwolf sigil restored to Winterfell in the opening credits after having the Bolton flayed man for two seasons.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I absolutely loved that music. I think that was the most gorgeous music the show has had yet. I can't wait to get copy of it.

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[JirinPanthosa]

They recast more important characters than Payne. This seems like a continuity error.

I'm not sure Payne would have trained Jamie as Bronn brings much more to the show.

 

[Kelthaz]

They recast more important characters than Payne. This seems like a continuity error..

They could have recast him, but they thought that the actor was dying and wanted to show him some respect by not replacing his character with someone else.

 

[Claudia]

Loved that last episode, especially the 2nd half. The massacre of King's Landing... well, as predicted. At least, Natalie Dormer could now reprise her role in Elementary which is overdue IMO.

"The north remembers" - indeed, and a girl puts everyone to shame.

I'm looking forward to seeing where Sansa'll go. I don't see her betraying Jon - but then again, she thinks he's a Stark, her half-brother. I'm curious whether the fact that he's not Ned's son will change anything here, be it Sansa's familial loyalty, or the loyalty of the North.

Arya's working off her list - will she target Cersei next before returning home?

Bran... something Benjen said struck me as odd. He told Bran that he couldn't cross the Wall because of some spells - but since Bran and the King of the White Walkers are somehow connected after his vision, is it possible that he paves the way for the invasion when he crosses back south, therefore rendering the Wall vulnerable to the White Walkers? And what about his ability to influence past events, will that make a return appearance?

And Dany's finally on her way - but her idea of diplomacy via marriage might come to nothing... because there aren't many males left to marry after all: Jon, but he's her nephew (urgh), but that might not mean anything in GoT judging from the Lannisters; Jaime perhaps who didn't look too happy with Cersei claiming the throne and having a hand in their son's suicide... but that's it, unless they (i.e. Sam) miraculously find a way to turn the White Walkers back into living beings, and she marries the King - highly unlikely scenario.

I'm really happy with season 6, save for a couple of filler episodes which lent strength to the decision to shorten the final seasons. But finally the threads are coming together, and that made for some quite intense story-telling.

 

[Kelthaz]

And Dany's finally on her way - but her idea of diplomacy via marriage might come to nothing... because there aren't many males left to marry after all: Jon, but he's her nephew (urgh), but that might not mean anything in GoT judging from the Lannisters.

Targaryens marry their brothers and sisters. Marrying a nephew would be prudish by their standards.

 

[Ethros]

Seen as Payne couldn't speak, his training with Jaime scenes I think would have lot duller than the ones we got with Bronn!

 

[The Nth Doctor]

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Excellent, thank you!

Arya's working off her list - will she target Cersei next before returning home?

I wonder if we've hit a case of not whether Cersei will die but who will get to her first and do the deed? There are multiple possibilities, all with reasonable and thematic considerations:

1) Arya. Cersei has been on her list from nearly the beginning. However, I wonder if she'll focus on the Mountain first. I just hope she realizes he's a reanimated corpse before she tries to take him on.

2) Olenna. Revenge for the deaths of her family, and by the show's telling, I believe she has no heir now.

3) Ellaria. Also revenge for the deaths in her family, although I think she'll be more focused on the Mountain as well.

4) Daenerys. Maggy's prophecy said "Queen you shall be... until there comes another, younger and more beautiful, to cast you down and take all that you hold dear." However, I don't think she'll actually kill Cersei, simply dethrone her. Instead, I think Maggy's prophecy guarantees that it will be...

5) Jaime. There have been multiple interpretations for Jaime's reaction in the throne room. I firmly believe that he's disgusted with Cersei, finally lining up his feelings toward her in the books. Further, the reason he why killed Aerys Targaryen was because of the threat of Wildfire against King's Landing. Now Cersei has done just that and she could do far worse. Lastly, Jaime killing Cersei would fulfill Maggy's prophecy that "the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you." Cersei has always assumed the valonqar would be Tyrion, just as she assumed the queen who will cast her down would be Margaery. She'll be wrong about both of those.

Bran... something Benjen said struck me as odd. He told Bran that he couldn't cross the Wall because of some spells - but since Bran and the King of the White Walkers are somehow connected after his vision, is it possible that he paves the way for the invasion when he crosses back south, therefore rendering the Wall vulnerable to the White Walkers? And what about his ability to influence past events, will that make a return appearance?

I am left wondering what purpose Bran will serve for the rest of the story. For such a long time, fans correctly speculated that becoming the Three-Eyed Raven will allow him to see the truth of Jon's parentage, and now that we've reached that point, what's next? What other big secrets are they left to be revealed? In the books, I'm sure there are certain things to be learned about the history of Westeros (Children of the Forest, the Andals, the White Walkers, the Targaryen bloodline) but much of that has been largely ignored in the show. Bran going south of the Wall, thus allowing the Night King to follow would make sense (especially since the magical horns have been ignored in the show). Even then, what's next? I fear the show will not know what to do with him just like it has struggled for the last few seasons (and Tyrion this season).

 

[Captaindemotion]

The whole point of Jaime training with Payne in the books was because the mute executioner couldn't tell anyone how hopeless a fighter he now was. Bringing Bronn in was partly due to Wilko's illness, partly due to how popular Bronn became in the show; around this time in the books, his role became smaller. Whether or not they'd have done so had Wilko not become ill, is anyone's guess. I personally think that the banter between Bronn and Jaime is more fitted to the screen than Jaime's monologues to a silent, smirking Payne (as per the books) would've been.

Anyway, that was a fantastic closer to the season. Hard to say if it topped BOTB but both were so good, it's really no insult to one to say it was the less good.

Expected the wildfire; didn't expect Tommen's suicide. Also didn't anticipate pretty much all of house Tyrell being wiped out (figured Loras was a goner seeing as the actor has been cast as Iron Fist).

Great to finally see R+L=J but are they deliberately not saying at this stage who dad was or did they just assume we'd know?

I didn't expect Jon to be acclaimed as King in the North. Stretched credulity a little but Lady Mormont could sell snow to Eskimos (or indeed, Snow to Northmen, apparently). Unlike some of you, I think Sansa is content with this and was basically giving Littlefinger a 'told you' look. However, I'm surprised that Robb's letter to the northern leaders naming his heir didn't form part of this storyline.

With Cersei on the iron throne, women ruling Dorne, Oleanna the only Tyrell rose still growing, Yara seeking the throne of the iron islands and, of course, Dany, Jon may be the last man in power standing. Not counting Euron, who frankly was a bit underused this season. More should also have been made of Brienne and Pod or even the Hound, over the last 2 weeks.

Benjen just abandoned the young girl and cripple and took the horse? Nice! Or was this the godswood weir at the Wall?

Guessed who the serving girl was once Frey said he didn't recognise her but can Arya now change her height? Nice use of the Frey pie, but perhaps the disappearance of the sons could've been mentioned earlier to set it up.

I've a feeling Jaime may earn the name Queenslayer before long...

The final scene? Wow. It's gonna be a long 10 months. Here's hoping George gives us that book soon.

 

[Takeru]

"The north remembers" - indeed, and a girl puts everyone to shame.

That scene actually annoyed me, Sansa should have been proclaimed queen. Jon is a) a bastard who was never legitimized and b) lord commander of the night's watch as far as the world is concerned because I doubt being released from one's vows by death followed by lord of light revival is a common occurence, I doubt most lords would believe that story.

The fact that Lyanna Mormont rules her house, stands next to other lords and actually gets them to listen to her also shows that the north is not against women in power. They have a true born Stark in front of them but they proclaim her bastard brother? It doesn't make much sense, they're yapping about only knowing one king and his name being Stark and then pick a Snow ...

 

[DigificWriter]

That scene actually annoyed me, Sansa should have been proclaimed queen. Jon is a) a bastard who was never legitimized and b) lord commander of the night's watch as far as the world is concerned because I doubt being released from one's vows by death followed by lord of light revival is a common occurence, I doubt most lords would believe that story.

The fact that Lyanna Mormont rules her house, stands next to other lords and actually gets them to listen to her also shows that the north is not against women in power. They have a true born Stark in front of them but they proclaim her bastard brother? It doesn't make much sense, they're yapping about only knowing one king and his name being Stark and then pick a Snow ...

He's not a Snow; he's actually a Sand based on naming conventions, given that he was born in or near Dorne.

 

[Nerys Myk]

He's not a Snow; he's actually a Sand based on naming conventions, given that he was born in or near Dorne.

Is that how it works? I thought it was based on parentage not geography.

 

[Forbin]

Jamie Lannister has to be on the fence. On one hand is the woman he loves. On the other hand the same woman not only caused the death of his son, she also used wildfire on King's Landing. Remember, Jamie had once killed King Aerys Targaren to prevent Aerys from destroying King's Landing with wildfire.

Just snickering at "on the other hand" being used speaking about Jamie.

 

[dahj]

Great to finally see R+L=J but are they deliberately not saying at this stage who dad was or did they just assume we'd know?

I think it's just for dramatic purposes.
At some point this information will have to be made public, or at the very least imparted to Jon by means of an actual on-screen conversation, so they probably didn't do a full-on comprehensive exposition so as not to repeat themselves.

I think Sansa is content with this and was basically giving Littlefinger a 'told you' look.

I don't think that was a 'told you' look as much as her realizing Littelfinger is not happy with these events and he might be a problem in the future.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Watched the episode again and forgot to mention one other thing I loved about this episode: The quiet conversation between Daenerys and Tyrion in the Meerreen throne room, leading up to her naming him the Hand of the Queen. A tear came to my eye as it clearly did for Tyrion.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

They considered it more disrespectful to recast him than to disappear his character? (shrug)

Why did they recast Daario Naharis anyway? Original actor had much more charisma.

It seems like Bran's time traveling works by Lost rules, based on Hodor. He can influence the past but it will just end up causing what always happened anyway.

 

[Skywalker]

That scene actually annoyed me, Sansa should have been proclaimed queen. Jon is a) a bastard who was never legitimized and b) lord commander of the night's watch as far as the world is concerned because I doubt being released from one's vows by death followed by lord of light revival is a common occurence, I doubt most lords would believe that story.

The fact that Lyanna Mormont rules her house, stands next to other lords and actually gets them to listen to her also shows that the north is not against women in power. They have a true born Stark in front of them but they proclaim her bastard brother? It doesn't make much sense, they're yapping about only knowing one king and his name being Stark and then pick a Snow ...

I actually feel the same way. The scene was a nice callback to the original King in the North scene, but I think it would have been better if Jon had interrupted the lords of the North and instead proclaimed Sansa, the Red Wolf, Queen in the North.

I really like Lyanna Mormont, though. The actress is fantastic. I hope they bring her back next season.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

They considered it more disrespectful to recast him than to disappear his character? (shrug)

It would be disrespectful because Wilko Johnson was battling cancer.

I didn't have a problem with the character being dropped. He didn't serve that big of a role in the books before his training with Jaime and that worked better with Bronn in the show for reasons already described.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I actually feel the same way. The scene was a nice callback to the original King in the North scene, but I think it would have been better if Jon had interrupted the lords of the North and instead proclaimed Sansa, the Red Wolf, Queen in the North.

I really like Lyanna Mormont, though. The actress is fantastic. I hope they bring her back next season.

Having just watched the episode again, I'm beginning to feel the same way. While I think Sansa's star is still rising, I think what you suggest would work better now, especially going along with the War of the Queens motif setup in this episode.

 

[Cyrus]

Why did they recast Daario Naharis anyway? Original actor had much more charisma.

I liked the original Daario actor better too. But I think he got casted in some movie and became unavailable.