Game Of Thrones Season 6 Discussion (Spoilers)

[The Nth Doctor]

Simply incredible.

I knew Cersei was going to use the Wildfire to torch King's Landing (although it turned out to only be the Great Sept of Baelor), but I did not expect Tommen to commit suicide. Holy shit.

Initially, I thought Cersei fucked herself with her actions by causing the death of her final child, but by the end, I highly suspect that she wanted the suicide. She couldn't bring herself to kill Tommen herself (or rather through her direct actions), but she knew she had lost him to Margaery. Her heart has grown completely cold and black, just like her regal dress.

Most shows would stick with just one bombshell in a season finale, but because this is Game of Thrones, we got three instead. Granted most attentive fans expected the remaining two reveals and they were quite refreshing indeed.

At long last, R+L=J is CONFIRMED.

And not only that, but Arya served her revenge in the only way she could: Cold.

This has to be the highest body count of any episode thus far. We lost:

High Sparrow
Margaery Tyrell
Loras Tyrell
Mace Tyrell
Kevan Lannister
Lancel Lannister
Grand Maester Pycelle
King Tommen
Walder Frey

Cersei may think she's on the top of her game, but of course, once again, she's an utter fool. She's probably lost Jaime Lannister as an ally (finally catching up with the books) and Houses Tyrell and Martell have formed an alliance with Daenerys as she finally heads to Westeros!

If I was Sam, I would forget the rest of Westeros and spend the remainder of my days in the library of the Citadel. I'm seriously jealous of him.

I'm really, really, really glad Sansa rebuffed Littlefinger's advances.

Lady Lyanna Mormont is truly awesome. I hope we see more of her next season.

Olenna also kicked verbal ass with her wry take down of the Sand Snakes.

Sadly, no Lady Stoneheart, but once Beric reappeared alive, I suspected we would never see her.

The only thing I didn't like about this episode was the sudden appearance of Varys aboard Daenerys' ship as the fleet departed from Meereen. How on earth did he get back so quickly? Was it really necessary to create that continuity glitch in order have him in that scene?

And now the show has gone from the War of the Kings to the War of the Queens. Bring it on!

I had a feeling that girl was going to be Arya when Walder Frey said he didn't recognize her. That was so satisfying. I guess she would have killed Jaime too if he had taken the bait earlier.

Oh, good catch. I hadn't considered that implication.

Really loved the piano/cello/organ/choir theme during Cersei's Godfather scenes when she got revenge on her enemies.

I absolutely loved that music. I think that was the most gorgeous music the show has had yet. I can't wait to get copy of it.

Shame about Margery though. I had hoped to see her execute her own schemes.

Same here. Of all of the bodies that dropped in this episode, she's the only one I'm actually sorry to lose. Pity.

Nothing more sinister than Sansa having trust issues with Jon. Which just got magnified a thousand-fold by the ending of that plotline this year. Sansa is well positioned to stab Jon in the back next year. Whether she'll give in to her Littlefinger training or not is thus far unclear, I'm actually less certain she'll go full villain than I was after last week. But the knife is out, and Jon isn't watching his back, yet again. Sansa has been given the apple, let's see if she takes a big, juicy bite or not.

Indeed and I think it's highly likely she will continue to rise in power to further fulfill the new status quo of War of the Queens.

As for the Tower of Joy, and the impact it may have

Spoiler: spoiler

Jon may not be a bastard. But even if he is, he's not just a Stark, he's half-Targaryan. That's the point of the scene. Of the characters left, the only one who holds a clearer claim to the Iron Throne is Dany, and that's only if Jon is still a bastard. If Lyanna and Rhaegar married, then his claim supercedes hers. Jon Snow Stark-Targaryan could very well be the legitimate, legal heir to the Seven Kingdoms. And he always has been. Everyone else is a pretender, including Dany. Which makes the possibility that he's also the Lord of Light's Chosen One rather interesting, no? With the Great Winter War coming, who better to lead the Army of Life than the rightful King of the Andals and the First Men? Ok, Jon hasn't been that great at leading anything thus far, he's too much like his Uncle. But you see where I'm going there, right?

Spoiler

Or perhaps that's the point? Jon is the Chosen Leader but he's a shitty leader that will lead to wreck and ruin. Perhaps to create a clean slate in Westeros?

Was surprised to see the show incorporate the Frey Pie, albeit in a different context.

Of course! That's why that seemed so familiar. I took one look at that pie and I knew something was awry without realizing specifically why.

Wait, doesn't Ser Pounce come before Cersei in the line of succession?

One would think.

 

[Roshi]

The only thing I didn't like about this episode was the sudden appearance of Varys aboard Daenerys' ship as the fleet departed from Meereen. How on earth did he get back so quickly? Was it really necessary to create that continuity glitch in order have him in that scene?

I'm not sure they left Meereen because there were boats with the Sunspear sigil in the fleet.
Or, Varys could have gotten back from Dorne with that fleet...

 

[sttngfan1701d]

I don't think Sansa is going to stab Jon in the back at all. Jon looks about as comfortable being "King in the North" as he was as Lord Commander, which is to say not comfortable at all. Jon knows that Winterfell is rightfully Sansa's. I'm sure he'll tell her so in private that he doesn't want to be a King in the North, and that she should rule Winterfell as Queen when he goes off to fight the White Walkers. He'll probably be "King" for a very short time before naming her successor. Or make it clear ASAP that she's his successor/regent/whatever until the Night King's army is defeated.

When that war is done, Jon will probably join up with Dany and Tyrion somehow, and with Sansa, they have a permanent, blood-family ally to hold the North for the kingdom.

Littlefinger might try a play, but I think Sansa will put family above any revenge on Jon because of Littlefinger's mind-twisting.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I'm not sure they left Meereen because there were boats with the Sunspear sigil in the fleet.
Or, Varys could have gotten back from Dorne with that fleet...

Perhaps the final scene is sometime later from the rest episode? Combination of Varys' presence, the Sunspear ship (which I missed), and the presence of a detailed dragon figurehead on Daenerys' flagship.

 

[JeffinOakland]

How can I watch older episodes of GOT?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Netflix?

 

[Skywalker]

Sign up for HBO Now ($15/month) and you can stream every episode of Game of Thrones to your heart's content.

Fantastic season finale. I'm so happy that they finally confirmed R+L=J, although I noticed they didn't actually have Lyanna mention R's name. Not sure why they're continuing to be coy. They implied last season during Sansa's conversation with Littlefinger about Lyanna that R may not necessarily have taken her against her will.

 

[asurob]

This season has probably been my favorite of the six we have had. However, I don't get how Cersei is able to seceded her son to the throne. I'm not a book reader so I don't get why she couldn't have continued to be queen when her husband died, but now that both her sons have died suddenly she gets the crown.

 

[FPAlpha]

This season has probably been my favorite of the six we have had. However, I don't get how Cersei is able to seceded her son to the throne. I'm not a book reader so I don't get why she couldn't have continued to be queen when her husband died, but now that both her sons have died suddenly she gets the crown.

Because she was "only" wife to Robert Baratheon with no claim to the throne whereas (officially) Joffrey, Tommen and Myrcella were Robert's children and therefore successors to the throne. Now that all direct successors are dead she simply usurped the throne and who could oppose her at this point? I doubt there is an official statement and probably never will be but everybody who followed King's Landing politics knows who is responsible for the destruction of the Sept and would you try to oppose Cersei now?

This is how monarchy works in that story (and also our reality if you think about it).. if you are strong enough to take it you do and that's the end of it (Robert himself led a rebellion against the Targaryen's and won so he became King).

As to the episode:

Man that was one giant kill fest, wasn't it? I call this episode "The Great Settling of Debts" and man did they not hold back.. Arya gets her first major kill ( and damn, she truly is a Faceless Woman now. Maybe not on the level of Jaquen H'Gar but enough for Westeros), Cersei blows up half the court alongside The Sparrow and Margaery (didn't expect her to die, a little bummed about that) and the story picks up even more pace with Dany finally on the move and everything rushing to the real war that is about to happen (I loved the line "Winter is here!").

Last 2-3 GoT episodes of a season are usually very good but this season is probably up there as one of the best, if not the best, because storylines came to a conclusion that were set up for years which made it a huge payoff season. I still wonder what the significance will be of Sam attending Maester school (he'll probably find some obscure, well hidden or forgotten piece of key information that lets them deal with the White Walkers) or why it's import to know about Jon's heritage (nice bit of in-story continuity but still not public knowledge yet for the characters and also not 100% spelled out though 98% hinted at) but i guess you can't blow up all your material in a single season and have to keep some things for the show finale.

Well.. where does this finale leave us?

Cersei is truly fucked but she doesn't know it yet. Dany is on her way and her army alone probably would be enough to deal with the Lannisters/King's Landing but she'll probably pick up Tyrell and Martell forces as Varys already set this up.

I didn't see a rift between Sansa and Jon but Sansa is probably the more dangerous one in the long run and she now understands the game and has started playing it. She has the perfect figurehead with Jon who is rallying support in the North but she knows that the real danger is Littlefinger now so i guess the battle between these two is on. I don't think Sansa is getting evil, it's just her life experience has taught her not to trust anyone, not even her brother, and she'll probably follow her path until Littlefinger is gone (and i'm pretty sure she has not forgiven him for selling her out to the Boltons).

I also wondered what kind of power Bran would bring to the fight.. travelling through time is a powerful ability but to make sure of possible intelligence he has to be able to get the word out to others who can make use of it. It will be interesting to see what happens there and when he will rejoin the general cast.

Concerning the last seasons it will probably be Dany steamrolling Cersei, Arya killing Cersei and by that point the Wall will finally come down somehow and the White Walkers will invade prompting Dany to take her army up North to support the Starks in the big war.. this may be too simple but my simple assumptions this season were mostly met (but were also telegraphed by the show well in advance so it was easy to make assumptions).
How it will truly end remains to be seen but now that the show has cleared out much of the cast and reduced itself down to season one players for the most part they can move the story along faster which also plays into the final two seasons being shorter ones.

Well, now we have to wait nearly a year again

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

The only thing I didn't like about this episode was the sudden appearance of Varys aboard Daenerys' ship as the fleet departed from Meereen. How on earth did he get back so quickly? Was it really necessary to create that continuity glitch in order have him in that scene?

Indeed, and Arya seemed to soon get to the middle of Westeros. Such a journey would have taken months.

I don't recall us seeing Varys and Daenerys together before so I guess she's taking his loyalty on trust based on him delivering Dorne as an ally and Tyrion's word. It seems like there's an awful lot of telescoping of the plot going on so the series can be wound up.

 

[dahj]

The only thing I didn't like about this episode was the sudden appearance of Varys aboard Daenerys' ship as the fleet departed from Meereen. How on earth did he get back so quickly? Was it really necessary to create that continuity glitch in order have him in that scene?

There are ships in the fleet with the House Martell sigil so obviously Varys came back aboard those.
It's not a continuity glitch, it's just that the final scene takes place weeks/months later.

 

[EmoBorg]

After this episode even the White Walkers would have been like, WTF Cersei.

Way to go Arya. Freys are just as worse as the Boltons.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

So is Daenerys (white queen) off to kick Cersei's (black queen) arse off the Iron Throne first of all or is she going to do a prolonged tour seeking more potential allies?

 

[sttngfan1701d]

Varys brokered the deal with Dorne and Highgarden, so Dany will probably land in Dorne. King's Landing is toast with 4 armies coming its way.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

The only point I see in going to Dorne is to pick up fresh troops. There's no usable land route to King's Landing and the rest of Westeros from Dorne, is there?

 

[dahj]

^^
There's the Prince's Pass.

It would make more sense to land on friendly territory, get the troops rested from a long sea journey and then work your way up.

Besides, King's Landing just showed they have more wildfire and hitting it from the sea didn't go so well for Stannis.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Dany has air power. That trumps wildfire.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Walter Frey was one of the truly gross characters in the show. He saw the murder of his wife as an opportunity to deflower a fresh one.

I hope Littlefinger doesn't successfully turn Sansa against Jon, but that look she gave him looked a little like she was annoyed everyone was rallying around Jon.

It seemed odd to me how quick Arya got to Frey, but I guess that whole saga in Bravos may have been time compressed and actually lagging a few months before everything else. I don't think she would have killed Jamie unless she had to to get to Frey because he's not a lister. The only listers left are Cersei and the Mountain.

How did the executioner get off the list anyway? He was one of the original listers. Did he die in a scene I forgot about or did Arya just decide to reprieve him because he didn't give the order?

 

[intrinsical]

Every season has had a "big bad". And now that Ramsey is dead, Cersei has stepped into that position. Unlike the previous big bads, Cersei is in a really bad position. House Tyrell and House Martell is already siding with Danerys Targaren.

Jamie Lannister has to be on the fence. On one hand is the woman he loves. On the other hand the same woman not only caused the death of his son, she also used wildfire on King's Landing. Remember, Jamie had once killed King Aerys Targaren to prevent Aerys from destroying King's Landing with wildfire.

Up in the North, Jon Snow is finally revealed to be son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark, but question remains as to how that can actually be proven to the Houses of Westeros. Will they take the word of a crippled Stark who claims to have mystical powers?

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Sam will turn up with Jon's birth certificate. That always convinces everyone...