Game Of Thrones Season 6 Discussion (Spoilers)

[The Nth Doctor]

Quite. I was surprised by how many people (and reviewers like those at A.V. Club) thought she genuinely converted and yet found that idea implausible. While she's been shown less of a political maneuver in the books (simply because we largely see her time in King's Landing from Cersei's perspective), Margery has always been presented as more formidable at the Game of Thrones than Cersei.

If the same scene occurs in the books (which would only happen if we start getting perspective chapters from either of the characters), I'm willing to bet the message would be text based simply because of the narrative medium.

 

[Booji]

Nope. The Vale is the assortment of valleys on the other side of the Mountains of the Moon from the Riverlands. The Mountains are technically within Arryn lands but the First Men tribes within them rule themselves for the most part. A pass through the mountains and The Bloody Gate in particular separates the Riverlands side of the mountains from the Vale, though the Lord of the Vale (Once the King of Mountain and Vale) controls some lands in the foothills of those mountains on the eastern side of the Trident.

Nope. Go to page 162 of 'The World of Ice and Fire'. This is the beginning of "The Vale" Chapter. It's the entire region according to the book, which is canon. Maps are shown, labeled "The Vale" and the history is given. If George says it's the entire region, I'll go with what George says.

 

[Skywalker]

Nope. Go to page 162 of 'The World of Ice and Fire'. This is the beginning of "The Vale" Chapter. It's the entire region according to the book, which is canon. Maps are shown, labeled "The Vale" and the history is given. If George says it's the entire region, I'll go with what George says.

There is a region of the Seven Kingdoms known as the Vale, ruled by House Arryn, which incorporates all of the Mountains of the Moon and shares a border with the Riverlands, and then within that region is a large, proper valley also known as the Vale, the entrance to which is guarded by the Bloody Gate. Venardhi is just being nitpicky.

 

[Venardhi]

Which I've already admitted to. On paper the Kingdom is the whole of it, but In practice "The Vale" is just The Vale and that is why they call it "The Vale." If you're on the western side of the Bloody Gate, you're either in the foothills and practically in the Riverlands or on a dangerous mountain pass leading to the Gate. There isn't much there else.

Since the fight wasn't in the pass, it was probably in the foothills and it could have been in either Kingdom, since The Riverlands control the eastern side of the Trident up into the foothills. For all practical purposes though, they were in the Riverlands.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Guys...

 

[theenglish]

LOL--the Queen of the White Walkers.

 

[Tom Hendricks]

Major spoiler for Arya,

Spoiler: The Shadow Reveals Itself

 

[Roshi]

"Not today!"

 

[Klaus]

Here's my out-of-left-field idea: It wasn't Arya, but the actress who ordered the hit instead, disguised by a false face. It was really a test to see if the Waif would kill her mercifully as ordered, and she failed. Think about Arya's original mission which she failed, to kill the cheating insurance guy on the waterfront, a somewhat-virtuous mission who she avoided for personal revenge. In this line of reasoning she was supposed to figure out what was going on and not kill the Cersei actress... which would explain why she seemed so unconcerned about the danger--it wasn't her. This was all a setup to test both Arya and the Waif, and only Arya passed.

 

[publiusr]

That's the most reasonable explanation--but I think it really was Arya that was stabbed. She will lose herself though--and transition.

When Sansa finds Arya--Arya will be aloof.

Micheal Myers died a long time ago.

Now--there is only The Shape.

That kind of thing.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Arya was hanging around the acting troupe's backstage area for a while, so it's possible she could have acquired some pig's blood in pouches that you can wear to simulate bleeding out from a wound, and then also got some chain mail or thick leather armor from the marketplace that she was wearing underneath her tunic. She leaves a trail of blood and witnesses for the Waif to follow back to her darkened alleyway and sets the trap, waiting in the pitch black where she has the advantage due to her training to fight while blind.

Of course, given the preview it looks like the Waif will briefly get away and we'll get some rooftop parkour action before Arya hopefully finishes her off. Arya couldn't be pulling off a fight like that, much less survive in those conditions, had she actually been stabbed in the gut as deeply as it looked (multiple times) and had the knife twisted. So there's got to be some trickery going on, either with the face switching as mentioned above or more conventional acting props and armor.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

I don't really buy that theory. It would require Arya to know with certainty that the Waif would choose not to slit her throat or stab her in the brain through the ears or eyes. Anyway, not long to wait...

 

[publiusr]

True. As soon as I saw the older woman I thought--yep...here it comes.
Then too, unlike Arya, I had just watched IT FOLLOWS

 

[The Lensman]

Here's my out-of-left-field idea: It wasn't Arya, but the actress who ordered the hit instead, disguised by a false face. It was really a test to see if the Waif would kill her mercifully as ordered, and she failed. Think about Arya's original mission which she failed, to kill the cheating insurance guy on the waterfront, a somewhat-virtuous mission who she avoided for personal revenge. In this line of reasoning she was supposed to figure out what was going on and not kill the Cersei actress... which would explain why she seemed so unconcerned about the danger--it wasn't her. This was all a setup to test both Arya and the Waif, and only Arya passed.

Pretty much my theory as well, except I've been thinking it was all a test for the Waif. She comes off as the "golden child" who starts to crack when another "golden child" shows up. She's constantly complaining about Arya not being ready, is prone to emotion if Arya gets the upper hand on her, regardless of how brief it is. When they were fighting, Arya got a hit on her, and she put the beat down on her with Jaqen walking in and seeming to notice something.

I've been thinking this because there is just no way Arya survives as an enemy of the Faceless Men. They're too powerful, too stealthy and are willing to travel the world to do a hit. She only gets away if they let her and that would suck if it looks like she gets away, only to get offed in the last few episodes. Although now that I mention it, that seems like something that would happen on this show. Just when we think it's safe......

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I don't know if Hagar really intended Arya to be killed but Arya has never thought far enough ahead to have a complex enough plan to attempt some trick. I still don't believe Hagar really believed Arya was noone. They either have some kind of mind reading or they're extremely good at reading body language, and either way there is absolutely no way he did not know Arya hid her sword. Which would imply he set it up so the water would heal her even though she was someone.

If Arya gets healed, it will be Hagar responsible, unless there's some other magic keeping an eye on her in Bravos. For all we know Bran is capable of helping her.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I want to believe the pig's blood theory, which is a natural progression from the theater company storyline, because I find hard to believe that Arya would be foolish enough to be out in the open like she was on the bridge. She knows they would be coming after her consider she fetched Needle and yet she didn't have Needle on her when she met with the ship captain or on the bridge.

Conversely, I agree that it was an awful risk to assume the Waif wouldn't go for her throat first.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Another problem with the pig's blood theory is that the Waif is a professional killer and would know the difference between stabbing flesh and stabbing chainmail.

 

[Cyrus]

Just finished watching "No one", so spoilers for those who haven't seen it

So where is Varys going? If he is going to Iron Islands to get a fleet then that would be a waste as they are already coming.

Feeling bad for Cersei. The Sparrow keep getting the upper hand. I am still rooting for Cersei in this, but I don't think Tommen will survive it.

Blackfish should have gone with Brienne.

So I guess Arya will not join the theater group after all. Is there going to be another joyfull Stark reunion soon?

Brief but very dramatic cameo by Dany.

Brotherhood dudes are back. Is this going to give more hope to Stoneheart fans? Not to mention all that talk of Catelyn Stark in many scenes in this episode.

Bronn was hysterical as usual (" do you think they are fucking?" LOL)

Missandei's Joke wasn't bad.

Next week's Battle of the Bastards episode looks to be epic.

 

[Mr Light]

One of those few Season Six episodes to be lacking a HOLY @#$@#$! moment.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Arya brings parkour to Westeros. Moved pretty good after being recently stabbed.