^ Caitlyn Stark and Oberyn Martell? Khal Drogo and Robert Baratheon?
Game Of Thrones Season 5 TV Only Discussion (Spoilers)
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A lot of that is the benefit of hindsight, though. They all look like protagonists until they get the chop. Drogo looks like the Wildman who will wreak havoc on the Seven Kingdoms; Oberyn like the vengeful righteous older brother, who will avenge his sister and save Tyrion. Robert is the man who overthrew a 300 year-old dynasty.
Indeed, I'd say that Catelyn is more of a protagonist than Ned, who ultimately really only serves to get the story moving and to kick of the War of the Five Kings, by getting executed. She's certainly more a protagonist than Robb (and in the books, she's a POV character but he's not) It's largely due to Catelyn that Jon ends up on the wall, she sparks off the skirmishes between the Starks and Lannisters by kidnapping Tyrion, Littlefingers' actions are often prompted by his childhood infatuation with her, it's her who ultimately sows Robb's downfall by (a) negotiating the disastrous match with Frey's daughter and (b) releasing Jamie, thus causing the Karstark schism. Though I'll grant you that that's not inconsistent with your argument that it's more about how she affects others.
However, where I think you and I are largely in agreement is that I note that you didn't include Jon as a significant death. Among the reasons why I don't think Jon is dead is that his death would serve no purpose to the larger story. Ned died to bring the North into the War of the 5 kings. Both Viserys and Drogo's deaths were to show that Dany was the real last surviving dragon. Robb and Catelyn to put the Bolton's in power in the North. Oberyn to apparently seal Tyrion's fate, Twyin to ensure that he was banished from Westeros.
But if Jon is dead, surrounded and unloved by the Night's Watch, what does that death serve? Life will go on at the Wall, but with a new Lord Commander. Nothing will really change. The only repercussions are that the Night's Watch are no longer lead by someone who realises the threat of the Others and who is willing to make peace with the Wildlings. It's hard to see how the story is served by that - the story is surely served by Jon fighting the former by making peace with the latter.
No, they don't. With the possible exception of Stannis, none of them ever had their own story. That's not hindsight, it's obvious from the functions they perform and their positioning in the story lines they appear in.
Drogo's probably the second most obviously a disposable character, because Dany's is in many ways the simplest storyline so far...and from the beginning it's clearly her story. She's the one protagonist whose character and progress through her story most closely hews to the traditional fantasy tropes...which is probably why she seems so immediately marvelous to Westerosi like Tyrion.
It's not necessarily obvious that supporting characters will die (well, except that on this show that's the way to bet). It's clear who the "stars" in each story are and aren't.
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The worst kept secret on TV continues to out; Kit Harington is apparently in a bar about 5 minutes from my house at the minute.
Yeah, I thought this headline summed it up pretty well:
Kit Harington Is Slowly Realizing That the Next 9 Months of His Life Are Going to Be Hell
Kit Harington Is Slowly Realizing That the Next 9 Months of His Life Are Going to Be Hell
^ Pretty much. I actually have people texting me, going 'you only live 5 minutes away. Go and take his photo!' Fortunately for him, I'm too lazy.
Give the guy a break.. i never understood the need to get into a movie/tv stars private life just so you can score a photo or signature.
It's different when they're at an official function such as a premiere of their show or movie because that's work time for them but being in a restaurant, park or wherever means they're on private time and i'd respect that (obviously i'm in a minority but still).
I'm just waiting on all hell breaking loose if he starts appearing in costume on the Game of Thrones set.. there's no way they can keep that a secret so it'll be fun what the producers will say once it's revealed that he survived.
Anyone know the exact date when season 6 filming starts filming?
It's different when they're at an official function such as a premiere of their show or movie because that's work time for them but being in a restaurant, park or wherever means they're on private time and i'd respect that (obviously i'm in a minority but still).
I'm just waiting on all hell breaking loose if he starts appearing in costume on the Game of Thrones set.. there's no way they can keep that a secret so it'll be fun what the producers will say once it's revealed that he survived.
Anyone know the exact date when season 6 filming starts filming?
My guess for the big sacrifice is also Tyrion... at least he'll have a great sarcastic last line.
More Snow hints?
Game Of Thrones Toy Sale Might Have Revealed Jon Snow Will Return
More Snow hints?
Game Of Thrones Toy Sale Might Have Revealed Jon Snow Will Return
I'm not sure if they're just rehearsing or actually filming yet, but Liam Cunningham (Davos), the guy who plays Dolours Edd, the actress who plays Missandei and others have been seen around town.
If Winds of Winter comes out by the end of the year, or the start of next year (before S6 is released), that's when they'll likely own up to it. In fact, we may even find that GRRM's delay in getting out his next volume all this time may have been planned to coincide with this season all along. He won't be able to do that with the final book, obviously, but this prevents either the book or the show from generally spoiling one-another.
You mean Melissandre, right?
^Nope, Nathalie Emmanuel and Emilia Clarke were spotted at one of Belfast airports, IIRC. Some of their scenes must be filmed in interior studios. A friend of mine visited it before S5 began shooting and was surprised to see Dornish and other interiors, which you'd imagine were filmed in more glamorous locations.
Jon is definitely dead - it's really hard to resurrect someone who isn't dead. And his death does serve a purpose. It releases him from his Night's Watch oath.
^ Permanently dead, then.
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