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Game Of Thrones Season 5 TV Only Discussion (Spoilers)

I thought the incident was handled tastefully for that sort of thing. It isn't the sort of thing I care to watch, so I'm glad it happened off-screen. But it did feel like the natural progression of the story and it made me intrigued to see what happens next. And it very clearly communicated that Sansa's current situation is a lot more dangerous than any she has been before (which is saying something). It also established that Ramsey is even more despicable than Joffrey was.

Yeah - I'm kind of surprised there's a backlash against this scene more than there was against Jaime raping Cersei last season, which IMO was much worse on many levels (change from the book, definitely nonsensual as she resisted, more explicit, not justified by ongoing story/character context, etc).

I can't help feeling that the campaign of "GoT is waging a War On Women" is a result of die-hard book fans wanting to scoop up easy support for a go at the TV show that's taken a change.
 
Yeah - I'm kind of surprised there's a backlash against this scene more than there was against Jaime raping Cersei last season, which IMO was much worse on many levels (change from the book, definitely nonsensual as she resisted, more explicit, not justified by ongoing story/character context, etc).

Of the various notable rape scenes, it was probably actually one of the better handled ones. The whole Stockholm Daenerys rape was pretty awful, the Jaime/Cersei thing was very poorly done given their intent, and the raping of the women at Craster's keep was done in too far of a titillating way.

I understand the complaints about Sansa's character in regards to it, but the time to complain there was back when she made the decision to go with Baelish's wishes. I'm not sure what people expected her or Ramsay to do after that decision was made. You knew it wasn't going to be good. Yet, people only complain when it finally happens. I think that's what leads several people to see it as complaining solely about rape and not just the character. Especially since we don't yet know what the ramifications of this development are. If it goes nowhere, then yeah, complaints are justified. But I don't know if will or won't be, so I'll reserve judgment.
 
Yeah - I'm kind of surprised there's a backlash against this scene more than there was against Jaime raping Cersei last season, which IMO was much worse on many levels (change from the book, definitely nonsensual as she resisted, more explicit, not justified by ongoing story/character context, etc).

Of the various notable rape scenes, it was probably actually one of the better handled ones. The whole Stockholm Daenerys rape was pretty awful, the Jaime/Cersei thing was very poorly done given their intent, and the raping of the women at Craster's keep was done in too far of a titillating way.

I understand the complaints about Sansa's character in regards to it, but the time to complain there was back when she made the decision to go with Baelish's wishes. I'm not sure what people expected her or Ramsay to do after that decision was made. You knew it wasn't going to be good. Yet, people only complain when it finally happens. I think that's what leads several people to see it as complaining solely about rape and not just the character. Especially since we don't yet know what the ramifications of this development are. If it goes nowhere, then yeah, complaints are justified. But I don't know if will or won't be, so I'll reserve judgment.

Yeah, TBH I think what's happened is a bunch of rabid book fans have got pissed off that they've swapped Sansa into Jeyna Poole's arc, and got a bunch of SJWs out of context to get a campaign going. (And what happened with Sansa there is a *lot* tamer than what happens with Jeyne!). That said, this episode actually therefore kind of shows why they left Jeyne Poole out of earlier seasons- they presumably always intended to give Sansa a bigger role and get her back to Winterfell.

Jaime and Cersei last season was, IMO, the worst offender, because there's no point to it either plot or character-wise, and they turned a consensual sex scene in the book into a rape for no reason.
 
Rape scenes should be horrifying because it's a horrifying crime. And this scene was, in my opinion, horrifying. I think it was much better, if that's the right word, than the Jaime/Cersie scene for that reason.

I agree that rape shouldn't be overused as a dramatic device, particularly as, like Joe Zhang and others have pointed out, rape is still a major problem. As a man, you're extremely unlikely to be castrated, beheaded or have your head squashed like a grape by a giant. But a woman cannot be so sanguine about rape. So I think it is fair to distinguish rape scenes from other violence and I think that using rape as a form of character development for female characters is kinda lazy.

Having said that, I think it's important to remember that we haven't seen what happens next. Part of what annoyed me about the J/C scene is that there was no fallout from it, they didn't really discuss it thereafter. This made the scene pointless.

The scene with Sansa is bound to have repercussions. This could involve turning her into a vengeful character (though she already has no shortage of motives for vengeance), getting her pregnant or spurring her to take Brienne's offer. It could motivate Theon out of his condition. Or something else I haven't thought of.

Basically, it's too early to dismiss that scene and say it shouldn't have happened. The next few episodes will determine its purpose.
 
Yeah, I'm sure she's feeling like she should have accepted Brienne's offer. Makes me think that Brienne will be checking up on her, with Sansa being glad to see her.
 
Found this meme on Imgur.
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This does not include Danerys' rape by Khal Drogo and subsequent Stockholm romance. The Jamie and Cersei thing over Joffery's body. Lastly there was the incest and rape of Crastor's daughters by Crastor himself and the mutineers of the Nights Watch raping his daughters, after they killed Crastor and Mormont.
 
The backlash does seem, upon further inspection, to be a bit overreaching. Some people seem to be simply criticizing the narrative choices, but others do seem to be blindly drawing conclusions about it that are somewhat extreme.

Anyhoo, does no one know where the hell Varys is? Is he still headed to Mereen?
 
Anyhoo, does no one know where the hell Varys is? Is he still headed to Mereen?


Good question. I'm quite curious too, and I admit I'm surprised we haven't seen his reaction to Tyrion disappearing yet. I have to figure he'll figure into Daenarys' storyline at some point since he was already headed there anyway. Maybe he'll end up watching the fighting that Jorah and Tyrion will be part of and realize he needs to put a stop to it.
 
Good question. I'm quite curious too, and I admit I'm surprised we haven't seen his reaction to Tyrion disappearing yet. I have to figure he'll figure into Daenarys' storyline at some point since he was already headed there anyway. Maybe he'll end up watching the fighting that Jorah and Tyrion will be part of and realize he needs to put a stop to it.
I expect Varys will go back to King's Landing to do what he does at the end of ADWD. You're right, though, that with the changes to the plot it's hard to see why he would do that.
 
Well, I haven't read the books, so I'm basing my thoughts entirely on what's been seen on screen. Is it possible that Varys is Jorah's King's Landing contact (remember, Jorah's a spy according to Daenarys) and vice versa? Could he be possibly expecting Jorah to be at her side, not having heard that he'd be outed? If so, those would be unforeseen circumstances. It looks to me like Jorah's going to meet his end, either by the pit or by the scales, leaving it open to possibly Varys pleading with her to release Tyrion into her service as new political advisor.
 
Some good moments and scenes, but overall ep7 was definitely another meandering episode where not a lot happened at times.
Come on Season 5, you've only got three episodes left, put your foot down a bit.
 
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