Game of Thrones 2.10 - "Valar Morghulis" - Rate and discuss
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Yes, her literally two seconds of happines before Littlefinger ruined it. Her reaction and his speech to her is what made me fearful for her character through much of book 3.
Really excellent way to wrap up the season. I loved how it ended. I was rooting for Sam the Slayer to make an appearance but damn, those White Walkers were scary as hell. I didn't notice any female ones, either. Just male Wildings and Night's Watch. Craester really is sending his sons as a sacrifice?
The House of the Undying was a good change from the books that works well on TV. Great surprise to see the Iron Throne covered in snow and then Dany leaving via the gate at the Wall to meet Drogo. And I love me some dragons. Those things look really cool.
I only have a couple of grumbles and I consider them to be small. Ros, I was really hoping she'd get killed but she'll be back. Oh well. And I think they rushed Jon's stuff too much but it did what it had to do and tied it to the end of the book. Although I did enjoy Ygritte smacking him in the head with his own sword.
And as far as Robb's storyline, they haven't changed anything other than the name and location of where his now-wife is from. Robb's not a POV character in the books so they could take some liberty as to what happened although he did tell Cat.
Is it April 2013 yet?
Really excellent way to wrap up the season. I loved how it ended. I was rooting for Sam the Slayer to make an appearance but damn, those White Walkers were scary as hell. I didn't notice any female ones, either. Just male Wildings and Night's Watch. Craester really is sending his sons as a sacrifice?
The House of the Undying was a good change from the books that works well on TV. Great surprise to see the Iron Throne covered in snow and then Dany leaving via the gate at the Wall to meet Drogo. And I love me some dragons. Those things look really cool.
I only have a couple of grumbles and I consider them to be small. Ros, I was really hoping she'd get killed but she'll be back. Oh well. And I think they rushed Jon's stuff too much but it did what it had to do and tied it to the end of the book. Although I did enjoy Ygritte smacking him in the head with his own sword.
And as far as Robb's storyline, they haven't changed anything other than the name and location of where his now-wife is from. Robb's not a POV character in the books so they could take some liberty as to what happened although he did tell Cat.
Is it April 2013 yet?
My take on it was that they were trying to convince her that pursuing the Throne is foolish and will end in the destruction of the Red Keep and likely King's Landing itself. I think they were trying to show her a possible future where she sees her destruction. I don't think they were trying to keep her in that vision. That was what Drogo's vision was for, I think.
Excellent Excellent Ender. Wrapped up a few story lines, set the table up for next year. Didn't have the 'wow' factor like Blackwater, but didn't expect it too at all.
Some highlights:
Dragons
White Walkers
Faceless man
Some highlights:
Dragons
White Walkers
Faceless man
No, the "why" is completely different, and pretty much removes any reason to sympathize with him.
It seems the same to me. This isn't the type of show where you should expect main characters to make logical and rational decisions all the time. You can't expect Robb Stark, a teenager thrust into war after the death of his father and the betrayal of Theon, to ignore his heart because of an oath to marry someone he has never met for a bridge.
In the book, he learned that his brothers had been killed (supposedly), and in a moment of despair he slept with a girl and took her virginity. Having already done that, as he saw it, he could either:
1) Leave her a "ruined" woman.
2) Marry her and risk the breakup of his alliance.
In keeping with his father's behaviour, he chose the latter. It was a difficult choice in the aftermath of an understandable mistake.
In the show, he just decided that he can brazenly go back on his word to allies who have committed thousands of soldiers to his cause and risked death for him just because he feels like it. It's utterly unsympathetic. Not to mention that he does this after the Lannister-Tyrell alliance and the defeat of Stannis, which at least doubles the enemy forces he's facing.
1) Leave her a "ruined" woman.
2) Marry her and risk the breakup of his alliance.
In keeping with his father's behaviour, he chose the latter. It was a difficult choice in the aftermath of an understandable mistake.
In the show, he just decided that he can brazenly go back on his word to allies who have committed thousands of soldiers to his cause and risked death for him just because he feels like it. It's utterly unsympathetic. Not to mention that he does this after the Lannister-Tyrell alliance and the defeat of Stannis, which at least doubles the enemy forces he's facing.
^^^ Aw snap! Y'better put book references in spoiler code. Some people have been driven to apoplexy around here from book "spoilers". Even though they aren't...
And yes - loved this finale. Everything rocked.
And yes - loved this finale. Everything rocked.
Nothing in there is a spoiler. The season's over, the show has definitively diverged from it. It'd be a spoiler if that occurred prior to the finale (ie, the marriage), but there's nothing there about Season 3 or the third book (well, technically, all of this is from the third book, but the show moved it to book two).
Not disagreeing with you in the slightest. That's not to say others won't, though. Just sayin'...
I'll agree that it would have worked better if Robb had received a message about his brothers' "deaths" before sleeping with Talisa, but I think it still works as portrayed on screen. The man may not have lost his brothers, but losing a father and waging a war isn't something you just shrug off.
Ratings for the finale are in:
http://www.deadline.com/2012/06/game-of-threones-hits-series-high-in-season-finale/
http://www.deadline.com/2012/06/game-of-threones-hits-series-high-in-season-finale/
^^^ They would be foolish not to.
I'm glad they're taking into account second-viewings, online and DVR playback in addition to first-run's. I've always found the old Nielson model an extremely cumbersome, inaccurate and archaic method of tracking such things.
I'm glad they're taking into account second-viewings, online and DVR playback in addition to first-run's. I've always found the old Nielson model an extremely cumbersome, inaccurate and archaic method of tracking such things.
It'll have to!
Great finale! How the fuck are we supposed to wait a whole other year? Argh!
I hope they'll at least bring out the DVDs before bloody March this time...
Ah well, at least I've got the season 2 soundtrack to be listening to...
I know there's *no* sympathy for my point of view, and I read the books between season 2 and 3 so I'm not complaining for myself, but...
People should be able to discuss an episode of a television show without learning things from the book. This show might cause people to read the books, and you're giving them information that they wouldn't otherwise have.
That's not to say the info details you gave were vital, or damaging to the story in any real way, and I think people really have been much better in the threads this season than last, but it's worth pointing that out.
I say this because I know that if I had not read the books my experiences from the season 1 threads would have kept me from reading them this season, and that's not fair. There's a thread for spoilers, and maybe that's where comparisons between the show and the books should take place.
Anyone who does feel that way should probably seek out somewhere like Alan Sepinwall's blog, where he puts this warning at the end of every review (and still has to regularly delete comments that go over the line):
Anyways, don't mean to be a dick, don't want a fight, but I think it's a reasonable position.
It's a lot easier for HBO to do that, because they're not worried about ad revenue from people viewing commercials.
Yea, you have these tiny little dragons and then look at the damage they do? I was wondering how it would play out... but remember what they said at Harrenhall and dragon fire? Dragon-fire is not the same as normal fire. A normal fire wouldn't have melted stone that way. So I'm guessing even though the dragons are small and their output isn't very high the fact that it is dragon-fire is what is the difference maker.
Some neato screencaps I found: (click for larger image)
