While I'm okay with the second, the first could take some fixing...
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While I'm okay with the second, the first could take some fixing...
I don't think it'll take 2 full seasons. It's a big book, but not that big. The fourth season will probably already have parts of 4th and 5th books (which take place at the same time).
I agree, they'll probably need 1 1/2 seasons for book 3 and 1 1/2 seasons for books 4 and 5, there's so much padding in the last two books that it will be easy to cut them down.
Besides, book 5 continues beyond the big cliffhangers of book 4, and book 6 is promised to have some meaty action at the beginning, so I can see the big thing in the middle of book 3 to be s3's season finale, and the other big thing at the end be the s4 finale (while other threads are already midway through book4). So they can finish s5 at the end of book4, having already done most of book5, and finish s6 with the meaty action at the end of book5, beginning of book6...
In that case they could have extended more of the season 2 plotlines, Renly's death or Theon taking Winterfell could have served as a season finale, but they didn't do that. That's why I assume they won't stretch the series out more than they have to, it is very successful but it's also very expensive and it won't get cheaper over time.
Another problem is that even if a show runs for many years, the quality usually suffers, I don't want a nine season show if the last few are crap.
Mo Ryan asked a good question a few weeks ago (when she and Ryan McGee discussed the end of Spartacus): "How many shows can you name that had their best season after season 5?"
I can't name a single one, most shows best seasons are around the third and it's even true for novels. Most popular ASOIAF novel? The third! Most popular Potter novel? The third.
In the long run I prefer a shorter series, GRRM has apparently already told them how the story is going to end, so I hope they use that knowledge and wrap everything up in six seasons (and that's only because I don't think they can do it in five).
Ending a show early instead of running it into the ground is not a bad thing.
The answer is Deep Space Nine.
How many shows even last 6 seasons? Probably about 2%, and likely less. Of shows that are actually any good, maybe 5%. That is an empty argument. They should take however long they need to tell the story, no more and no less. No one who knows what the fuck they're talking about said The Lord of the Rings should only be 2 movies because the third in a series usually isn't as good. They might have said it for budgetary or marketing or other bullshit reasons, but not for the storytelling.
List me five movie/tv/book series where the 3rd is generally considered the best if you're going to try using that. Amongst big ASOIAF fans I bet you I could find just as many who like the first or second books best. Personally I would lean towards the third being the most compelling, but the first two are far superior on the editing front. In general, especially in TV and movies, the first or second film/season is generally the best IMO. Battlestar, Dexter, Star Wars, and I could go on.
How many shows even last 6 seasons? Probably about 2%, and likely less. Of shows that are actually any good, maybe 5%. That is an empty argument. They should take however long they need to tell the story, no more and no less. No one who knows what the fuck they're talking about said The Lord of the Rings should only be 2 movies because the third in a series usually isn't as good. They might have said it for budgetary or marketing or other bullshit reasons, but not for the storytelling.
List me five movie/tv/book series where the 3rd is generally considered the best if you're going to try using that. Amongst big ASOIAF fans I bet you I could find just as many who like the first or second books best. Personally I would lean towards the third being the most compelling, but the first two are far superior on the editing front. In general, especially in TV and movies, the first or second film/season is generally the best IMO. Battlestar, Dexter, Star Wars, and I could go on.
It's been confirmed that season three will cover the first half of A Storm of Swords, to wit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_Thrones_(season_3)
I'm also pretty sure I read somewhere that Weiss and Beinoff, the showrunners, would combine A Feast for Crows and Dance With Dragons rather then doing them seperately.
So, in the unlikely event that every book after A Storm of Swords is adapted as a single season, and if the TV series adapts every novel, the show will go on for at least eight seasons in total. Nine seasons, perhaps, if one considers that Dance With Dragons like A Storm of Swords is big enough to be published in two volume paperbacks in the UK.
You realize you're agreeing with the statement that the best seasons are most of the time not after the fifth, right? Even if DS9 is the exception, that's still only one show and doesn't disprove the argument that almost every long running show is better in its early seasons.
And I won't list more best third seasons, why would I?
Well, that's just common sense, no one in their right mind would do them separately. It was a big mistake when Martin did it, so why would they repeat that?
The producers have said their goal is an 80-episode show. There are two things that might change that: a drop in the ratings that leads HBO to order them to wrap the show up earlier than that or if it becomes clear that George R.R. Martin is going to have the same problem in getting the sixth and seventh books written as he did with the fifth.
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I didn't mean he might split the material into more than two books, but that it might take him the same amount of time to deliver each of the final two books as it did the fifth one, meaning that he'd fall way behind the production schedule of the show.
I didn't mean he might split the material into more than two books, but that it might take him the same amount of time to deliver each of the final two books as it did the fifth one, meaning that he'd fall way behind the production schedule of the show.
^I believe he recently expressed a concern to that effect, namely that the tv show would overtake him, in an interview for HBO
I think there may be a big moment of truth after the fourth season where HBO evaluates Martin's progress and decides whether to stick with the books or to mostly go their own way and set the show on a trajectory that will conclude before the final book is published. The producers would undoubtedly rather stick with the books, albeit with increased deviation down the line, but Martin's pace may force them to do otherwise.
^^^ If they stretch it out enough, like 2 seasons per book, he might make it before they reach Martin's progress. If they break up ASoS, though, I at least hope they use the
for the cliffhanger - they might not, as it happens pretty late in that volume.
In any case, I'm hoping the show in general will be a catalyst to help him start moving things along.
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In any case, I'm hoping the show in general will be a catalyst to help him start moving things along.
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There's no way to get two seasons apiece out of the fourth and fifth books, and since they've said their ideal is to have the show run for eight seasons it's obviously not something they're contemplating.
Also, please don't mention major forthcoming events in the non-spoiler threads, even without going into detail. It can be easier than you think for people to put two and two together.
There's no way to get two seasons apiece out of the fourth and fifth books, and since they've said their ideal is to have the show run for eight seasons it's obviously not something they're contemplating.
Also, please don't mention major forthcoming events in the non-spoiler threads, even without going into detail. It can be easier than you think for people to put two and two together.
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Thanks.
Thanks.
I suspect that that event in ASOS won't be the final episode of a season - I'd suspect that like Ned and Blackwater, they'd want it *before* the end so they can have a bit of awed aftermath afterwards