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Spoilers Game Of Thrones’ Spinoff ‘House Of The Dragons’ ordered to series

The central problem with what Martin wrote is it's from the unreliable narration of a Maester. He tries to do the best possible within his society to untangle which of the three primary sources is accurate, but he's noble-born, and has some inherent bias which is quite obvious because of this. The historical accounts focus on the dragon battles, how the nobility betray one another, and such, and they gloss over the huge collateral damage to the smallfolk. I think once the Dance really gets going in Seasons 2/3, we'll either need a character who was lowborn (like Davos) or someone who is highborn but "slumming it" (like Arya or Brienne) in order to really see the human impact of the war.

I very much hope so, because right now it's just rich assholes fighting each other over who gets to be top rich asshole, and at a certain point that's just boring.

The Others will play absolutely no role in the narrative. That scene was added with the blessing of GRRM (he apparently always had a headcanon that was why Aegon the Conqueror came to Westeros) but this story is not about anything north of the Wall at all. Even the Starks are only involved a bit tangentially.

Yeah, I don't particularly expect the White Walkers to play a role per se, but when you add a scene like that at the end of your first episode, you're setting the tone and making a promissory note to the audience that this is an important idea that's driving the characters. So I expect that for the entire series, this is a thing that will hang over the show. In other words, the climate change metaphor will always be coming.

This is a fair criticism. But big-budget media projects are risk averse, which is why we get so many sequels/remakes/extended universes these days. People liked Game of Thrones, before the last few seasons shit the bed, so HBO is giving them more of what they said they liked.

Yep. Like I said: "Reusing the Game of Thrones theme song is just emblematic of the entire project: Plots, characters, and themes that are just recycled versions of what was done before, borne out of a desire to flog a dead horse instead of doing something new."

It makes more sense than like doing a buddy comedy set in Pentos or something as the next project in the franchise.

I would love to watch a buddy comedy set in Pentos!
 
^ Note to Targaryen females. Avoid your relatives named Aegon.

Casual reminder, Jon Snow’s true name is Aegon VII Targaryen. The lucky number.

Dragon taming, incest, polygamy, madness and fratricide/kin-slaying. It all runs in the family.
 
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I very much hope so, because right now it's just rich assholes fighting each other over who gets to be top rich asshole, and at a certain point that's just boring.

Sounds like "Game of Thrones" to me.

Yep. Like I said: "Reusing the Game of Thrones theme song is just emblematic of the entire project: Plots, characters, and themes that are just recycled versions of what was done before, borne out of a desire to flog a dead horse instead of doing something new."

Perhaps you shouldn't watch the rest of the series, if that is how you feel about it.
 
Damn. Another great episode - and spicy. They're 4 for 4 so far as I'm concerned. Any doubts I had for this prequel have evaporated.

Looks like the proverbial is hitting the fan next week from the preview.

I'm going to miss Alcock and Carey in their portrayals of Rhaenyra and Alicent.
 
Anybody else really kinda getting tired of that exact same medieval illustration of... naked people frolicking?... They seem to use for almost every painting, murial and tapestry in the red keep?

The episode overall was pretty good though what I'm wondering is why there doesn't appear to be the option of Rhaenyra remaining childless and just declaring her brother/his descendants to be her heir.
I know King what's his name tries to avoid a civil war, but the moment he made Rhaenyra his heir a civil war was pretty much pré-programmed.

Sounds like "Game of Thrones" to me.
Got always had the promise of an epic battle for the fate of humanity/the world as it's final act though... until the show went off the rails.
Hod does not have that.
 
Sci said:
I very much hope so, because right now it's just rich assholes fighting each other over who gets to be top rich asshole, and at a certain point that's just boring.

Sounds like "Game of Thrones" to me.

At its weakest, yes. At its best, Game of Thrones was a commentary on the nature of those battles between rich assholes -- on how futile and pointless the game of thrones actually is, particularly when faced with the prospect of an existential threat (i.e., the White Walkers [i.e., climate change]) that requires universal political cooperation to survive.

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Sci said:
Yep. Like I said: "Reusing the Game of Thrones theme song is just emblematic of the entire project: Plots, characters, and themes that are just recycled versions of what was done before, borne out of a desire to flog a dead horse instead of doing something new."

Perhaps you shouldn't watch the rest of the series, if that is how you feel about it.

There's a strong chance I'll stop watching. Right now I'm 50/50 whether it's going to have much meaningful content beyond "rich assholes fighting each other to be top rich asshole."
 
In these series about medieval power politics I'm not sure what you can do that is different. Can you give an example?
 
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In these series about medieval power politics I'm not sure what you can do that is different.

I'm not either, which is why I'm skeptical that doing a Game of Thrones spinoff was ever a good idea in the first place. I will say that right now, I'm most interested in whether House of the Dragon can say something unique from a feminist lens via the relationship between Rhaenyra and Alicent.
 
In these series about medieval power politics I'm not sure what you can do that is different. Can you give an example?
In the ASOIAF books, the return of the dragons triggered interesting side effects, namely the spontaneous lighting of obsidian candles at the Citadel, the strengthening of pyromancer spells as mentioned by Pyat Pree, the flaming sword of Beric Dondarrion, the rise of the Lord of Light, to name a few.

Right now, the Targs have a whole stable of dragons - magic should be rampant in this world right now and more prevalent in every day life, ostensibly informing the events in the story. It really isn’t. Things are still too mundane in this world and shouldn’t be, so far of what I’ve seen. Now, admittedly, I’ve only watched the first episode and perhaps there is some magic usage in later episodes that I haven’t seen yet. Somehow I think not.
 
Aside from dragons this is a mundane magic-poor world. But I guess a lot of that is the SFX budget they would need to make more magic happen.
 
Glad the incest cat is out of the bag so I don't have to just vaguely allude to it any longer.

Aside from dragons this is a mundane magic-poor world. But I guess a lot of that is the SFX budget they would need to make more magic happen.

It has nothing to do with that. Martin's world just doesn't really have much magic in it. There are exensive historical records going back centuries (the Maesters basically function as scientists) and there was never any real evidence of magic working within universe in a systematic way.

Rhaenyra remaining childless and just declaring her brother/his descendants to be her heir.

Rhaenyra is hella conflicted as she's been depicted right now. On one hand she really wants to have power, on the other hand she hates all of the responsibilities that go along with having power. She'd honestly be an absolutely terrible queen.
 
Ep 4 is the best episode of the season so far. Daemon's reasons for returning home were pretty obvious and was the eventual "couplings" Rhaenyra had with him and Cole.
Vicerys has been great in every episode but I wonder are those wounds from the throne like we hear about in lore or does he have a disease.
 
The show is getting there but it is challenging my patience. It's not uninteresting to see the political machinations and the people within acting about but i wonder if the payoff will be good enough to keep this interesting.

To be honest i wonder if the show will offer more than just civil war battles with dragons flying around breathing fire and people getting sliced up by swords.
 
Ep 4 is the best episode of the season so far. Daemon's reasons for returning home were pretty obvious and was the eventual "couplings" Rhaenyra had with him and Cole.
Vicerys has been great in every episode but I wonder are those wounds from the throne like we hear about in lore or does he have a disease.

Arguably Daemon did all of this just to try and wed Rhaenyra.

I mean, he shows up, seduces her, tries to fuck her (but can't get it up due to either alcohol or morals) ruins her reputation, and then offers to marry her.
 
Sneaking out of the castle to party?!
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