Surprisingly, these corporations that make their living by producing films know something about producing films. It's weird, I know, but for some reason I have confidence that they will pick up a "making films for dummies" book before too long
Future of Paramount includes Star Trek tentpole
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Paramount only has 3 big name IPS.
Transformers
Star Trek
Mission Impossible
The former two under performed, and the latter is set to for another sequel release next year. Trek and TF haven't laid golden eggs like their predecessors but there's still life in those birds. Paramount will reorganize and try to figure out how to make money from what they have, for sure.
Transformers
Star Trek
Mission Impossible
The former two under performed, and the latter is set to for another sequel release next year. Trek and TF haven't laid golden eggs like their predecessors but there's still life in those birds. Paramount will reorganize and try to figure out how to make money from what they have, for sure.
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The guys who own Star Wars and Guardians of the Galaxy have very little need for Star Trek.
paramount moved bumblebee out of june 2018 to december 2018 and added a ridiculous cast member so there's that.
proves the need for a sci-fi franchise with an A-list cast all the more.
proves the need for a sci-fi franchise with an A-list cast all the more.
June 2018 would be too soon to get a Star Trek film ready. We don't want an even more rushed production than Beyond.
definitely not.
just an example of shifting schedules and paramount's just crap lineup.
Paramount is probably going to rethink the next TF (6/28/19) so maybe slot ST4 in there?..but then theres SW9 just a month before..
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/schedule/?view=bydate&release=theatrical&yr=2019&p=.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/schedule/?view=bydate&release=theatrical&yr=2019&p=.htm
if the pattern holds, episode IX might shift to christmas time leaving that territory open.
trek 4 should really look for a fall or spring spot though and try not to compete with the summer tentpoles. fall has been a great time for sci-fi movies (thinking of gravity and interstellar) so maybe trek can return to being a cold weather franchise.
Exactly. "Summer movies" are becoming less of an event that must be in summer, with blockbusters coming out sprinkled throughout the year now. Put Star Trek in October or March. Just enough so it's not in the dead cold of winter, and also early/late enough to not have to go up against Marvel/Star Wars.
Disney buying Star Trek would be a dream come true.
The question of Beyond's profitability came up again today, to which I gave this nice tidy summary:
It's a very complicated question, not as easy to sum up as you might be led to think by box office reports. All films have a complex equation for profit, and all the "rules" you see printed are just guides. In some reports Beyond needed to make $350 million to be profitable. It's actually probably closer to $400 million. The good news: studios go by all income, including secondary, after-box office revenue to decide profit. In fact almost all Hollywood films, including the biggest box office hits generally lose money on first run box office. It's secondary income where profit is made. Here's where it gets complicated. Hollywood doesn't really want you to know what it makes. A lot of the profit is guesswork, from many sources. This includes, optical discs, streaming, airing rights, digital, merchandising etc. Beyond made roughly $380 million from worldwide box office and domestic disc sales. It will generally do a 50-100% percentage of the domestic disc total internationally. Streaming and digital account for an ever-increasing share of the home market. It also had a huge merchandising deal with China (the largest ever single deal for Trek). A rough guess for me is the movie has made at least $500 million in revenue currently, with more to be made slowly over the years. I'm guessing it's about $100 million in profit.. +or minus $20 million.
It's a very complicated question, not as easy to sum up as you might be led to think by box office reports. All films have a complex equation for profit, and all the "rules" you see printed are just guides. In some reports Beyond needed to make $350 million to be profitable. It's actually probably closer to $400 million. The good news: studios go by all income, including secondary, after-box office revenue to decide profit. In fact almost all Hollywood films, including the biggest box office hits generally lose money on first run box office. It's secondary income where profit is made. Here's where it gets complicated. Hollywood doesn't really want you to know what it makes. A lot of the profit is guesswork, from many sources. This includes, optical discs, streaming, airing rights, digital, merchandising etc. Beyond made roughly $380 million from worldwide box office and domestic disc sales. It will generally do a 50-100% percentage of the domestic disc total internationally. Streaming and digital account for an ever-increasing share of the home market. It also had a huge merchandising deal with China (the largest ever single deal for Trek). A rough guess for me is the movie has made at least $500 million in revenue currently, with more to be made slowly over the years. I'm guessing it's about $100 million in profit.. +or minus $20 million.
There's no way Beyond has made 100 million in profit. Even if the box office and disc total equaled 400 million (which it definitely does not, but I'm being generous) ...the budget was 185 million. Add to that a couple dozen million for marketing...probably at least 50, but again I'll be super generous (ridiculously generous) and bring it down to 15. For a total cost of 200 million. The studio only gets half of the box office (and that's for the front end, it gets worse over time), not to mention we don't know how much of it goes to Bad Robot, Skydance, Alibaba, and HuaHua. As much as it pains me to say, in my opinion Paramount only broke even on the most generous over-estimates.
Just as I outlined, and for the reasons I outlined it has made a revenue in the $500 million range. Assuming a cost of about $400 million, it is indeed $100 million in profit. I am actually being conservative, I think it's closer to the $520 million figure I give in my +/- range.
RAMA
Yes, this has been discussed before and really isn't a mystery. A combination of a delay in getting a new CEO, the actual transition when the new CEO came on, as well as the time it takes in the accounting of Beyond, has delayed things. Other issues involved in the delay include the schedules of the many in demand actors and creatives on the Bad Robot movies.
The rumor I've heard is that the rewrite is well underway and at a fever pitch(I can't give my sources). My guess is that since the CEO is pro-Trek and mentioned Trek as a tentpole of the studio, that the movie will be announced after Discovery gets it's "space legs". This is not only because of the Paramount/CBS interaction but also because the studios are wary of previous franchise fatigue.
https://twitter.com/TrekCore/status/894252361417236480
TrekCore STLVVerified account @TrekCore 28m28 minutes ago
.@KarlUrban hits the #STLV stage as @MovieMantz cheers him on. #StarTrek
TrekCore STLVVerified account @TrekCore 18m18 minutes ago
.@karlurban says there is a "genuine desire" to do another #StarTrek film, from cast to crew to production team.
TrekCore STLVVerified account @TrekCore 15m15 minutes ago
Replying to @TrekCore
.@KarlUrban But if Beyond is the last #StarTrek film, he's happy with that being their final story because he likes the movie so much #STLV
Well, no real word from here at least.
TrekCore STLVVerified account @TrekCore 28m28 minutes ago
.@KarlUrban hits the #STLV stage as @MovieMantz cheers him on. #StarTrek
TrekCore STLVVerified account @TrekCore 18m18 minutes ago
.@karlurban says there is a "genuine desire" to do another #StarTrek film, from cast to crew to production team.
TrekCore STLVVerified account @TrekCore 15m15 minutes ago
Replying to @TrekCore
.@KarlUrban But if Beyond is the last #StarTrek film, he's happy with that being their final story because he likes the movie so much #STLV
Well, no real word from here at least.
Even if we use your numbers, they still haven't made a profit. Revenue of 500 million means 250/260 million went to the studio at the most. Let's again be generous and say 300 million.
Really?
It was 4 years between the first two movies, then 3 with the sped up schedule to have Beyond out by the 50th anniversary. They're taking a long break before working on 4, which even with those numbers wouldn't be out until late 2019 or mid 2020.
Those are still pretty far away. Eaglemoss and other manufacturers of tie in material are trying to secure rights to produce Trek 4's line up, and the cast are still keeping their options open on appearing.
Everyone behind the scenes is in on something we obviously aren't seeing, as they're still acting as though another movie is happening, just with a long break. It was this quiet in 2010 and 2014 too, BTW.
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