Full Circle Review Thread (Spoilers)
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I think that it's more they're trying to provide mutual consolation, being two people very powerfully affected by their loss of Janeway (not to mention the changes that have gone on with Seven post-Destiny.) No telling where they'll go from FC, but I doubt that there's any romance coming any time soon, given that neither Chakotay nor Seven is in a good place for a relationship. And there's absolutely no C/7 in Full Circle; I mean, after all, how could there be? Chakotay's storyline about his reaction to Janeway's death is one of the main plot points.
Has it not been there the whole time? I remember back in the day, they used to do that all the time - I didn't realize it had gone away. Shows you how much attention I've been paying....
Has it not been there the whole time? I remember back in the day, they used to do that all the time - I didn't realize it had gone away. Shows you how much attention I've been paying....
It's possible it's been there the whole time. I know I've seen it old Trek books and new. But maybe there were some in which it wasn't included? I don't pay that much attention to such things to noticed; I just sort of take them for granted.
Thanks Kirsten! I really loved the book.
I'm a huge Voyager fan and unlike many others I never liked Christie Goldens books very much. So I waited for years to read new, interesting Voyager books but it was worth waiting for!
I'm sorry that you met with criticism, but I'm sure that many doubter will enjoy your book in the end. I'll highly recommend "Full Circle" and can't wait to read "Unworthy" in October.
All the best.
I'm a huge Voyager fan and unlike many others I never liked Christie Goldens books very much. So I waited for years to read new, interesting Voyager books but it was worth waiting for!
I'm sorry that you met with criticism, but I'm sure that many doubter will enjoy your book in the end. I'll highly recommend "Full Circle" and can't wait to read "Unworthy" in October.
All the best.
Most of the books have had a coming soon type thing in the back, although usually it's just the next book in that series, or the next big event book.
Has it not been there the whole time? I remember back in the day, they used to do that all the time - I didn't realize it had gone away. Shows you how much attention I've been paying....
It's possible it's been there the whole time. I know I've seen it old Trek books and new. But maybe there were some in which it wasn't included? I don't pay that much attention to such things to noticed; I just sort of take them for granted.
I'm glad to hear that, and appreciate your comments...and if she and everyone else were simply growing in expected ways, what would be the fun of that?
You are quite right, though I usually don't correct people, whether they write or pronounce it wrong. I've been called so many variations on Kirsten my whole life, I barely notice anymore. But I do get the frustration. I've had friends like you in the past who just can't take it!
-When does Unworthy come out again?
October. And I'm glad you enjoyed the Chakotay arc. Thanks for your comments.
Many thanks. That's nice company to be in.
Second. Who do I have to kill to get an early copy of Unworthy. Just name 'em and they're history.
Don't tempt me....
It finally arrived this morning in Britain, wasn't expecting it until next month so it was a pleasant surprise.
Excellent book, it did feel like 2 books in one the Klingon story and then the years following that. I didn't enjoy the Klingon story too much, although I was more interested in what happened after Before Dishonor.
Chakotay was undoubtably the best character in the book, seeing what he goes through emotionally was superb and I would never have expected it from someone such as him though but it was still excellent writing, although I did feel as if though he was cheated slightly near the end but perhaps in his current state it was for the best.
The Paris arc was also excellently written, I can understand why Torres ended up doing what she did but I can't see the return going well when she gets back to Voyager as it was implied towards the end.
I feel mixed about the ending and the new mission though, I wasn't surprised though as that was one of my first thoughts when it was discovered in Destiny they had a working Slipstream and I hadn't thought of them being part of a fleet.
Overall fantastic book and I eagerly look forward to Unworthy and where the characters will evolve from there.
Excellent book, it did feel like 2 books in one the Klingon story and then the years following that. I didn't enjoy the Klingon story too much, although I was more interested in what happened after Before Dishonor.
Chakotay was undoubtably the best character in the book, seeing what he goes through emotionally was superb and I would never have expected it from someone such as him though but it was still excellent writing, although I did feel as if though he was cheated slightly near the end but perhaps in his current state it was for the best.
The Paris arc was also excellently written, I can understand why Torres ended up doing what she did but I can't see the return going well when she gets back to Voyager as it was implied towards the end.
I feel mixed about the ending and the new mission though, I wasn't surprised though as that was one of my first thoughts when it was discovered in Destiny they had a working Slipstream and I hadn't thought of them being part of a fleet.
Overall fantastic book and I eagerly look forward to Unworthy and where the characters will evolve from there.
I enjoyed the book; I have wanted a new Voyager book for the longest time. Oh Kirsten, you did something that none of the writers (well the ones who did the voyager books) and the TV show could do. You actually got me to really like Seven and I want to see what happens with the voice thing. I am curious though, will other former drones have this issue, or is she an isolated case.
I am curious on how everyone will react to B'elanna and Miral being alive. I want to see how that gets resolved. Are you going to have B'elanna join the new Voyager crew?
]I can't see them letting Tom leave the ship and I can't really see him leaving either. Though I guess, they would not really have to worry about the fanatics if they are in the delta quadrant.
I am looking forward to the new book.
I am curious on how everyone will react to B'elanna and Miral being alive. I want to see how that gets resolved. Are you going to have B'elanna join the new Voyager crew?
]I can't see them letting Tom leave the ship and I can't really see him leaving either. Though I guess, they would not really have to worry about the fanatics if they are in the delta quadrant.
I am looking forward to the new book.
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In general I liked the booked but ........
- B'Elanna/Miral story was a little too Da Vinci Code for me (and a poor job at that)
- Eden secret should have either been told in a later book when the fleet was actually in the DQ or the book should have focused on the fleets early presence in the DQ.
- B'Elanna/Miral story was a little too Da Vinci Code for me (and a poor job at that)
- Eden secret should have either been told in a later book when the fleet was actually in the DQ or the book should have focused on the fleets early presence in the DQ.
I picked up Full Circle on Wednesday, and I finished it last night.
Overall it was a great read, and I'm going to echo the sentiments of most of the other posters in this thread (the positive ones anyway). I doubt I can do anything except rehash what was already said.
I am just going to list my issues with the book, which are very few:
-I felt like B'Elanna was overreacting, to say the least, to the potential threat of the Warriors of Gre'thor. I mean, they had ONE (old) SHIP. She and Miral would have been fine in Federation space, and perfectly safe on Voyager. Going through so much trouble over YEARS to fake people's deaths, ruin relationships, and then build a ship to travel out of the QUADRANT was really over the top.
-Part II was a bit too disjointed time-wise. I kept having to flip backwards in the book to figure out what year it was. That's never a good sign.
-As much as I liked Cambridge, I think more time should have been spent (even if it was in flashbacks) fleshing out some of the newer members of the Voyager senior staff. I had forgotten about all of them from the Golden books, except for Dr. Kaz. Plus, some of them materialized in this book, but we never really went anywhere with them. I'm sure that you are probably saving this for the next novel or two, since it doesn't fit well into the narrative. However, you could probably say the same about the brief appearance of Janeway's sister.
Finally, this is a question, rather than a criticism: I understand Tuvok was on Titan most of the time, but why wasn't he mentioned more? I figured we might have a scene where some of the other crewmembers attended his son's funeral or something, since that was a major event for his character.
Overall it was a great read, and I'm going to echo the sentiments of most of the other posters in this thread (the positive ones anyway). I doubt I can do anything except rehash what was already said.
I am just going to list my issues with the book, which are very few:
-I felt like B'Elanna was overreacting, to say the least, to the potential threat of the Warriors of Gre'thor. I mean, they had ONE (old) SHIP. She and Miral would have been fine in Federation space, and perfectly safe on Voyager. Going through so much trouble over YEARS to fake people's deaths, ruin relationships, and then build a ship to travel out of the QUADRANT was really over the top.
-Part II was a bit too disjointed time-wise. I kept having to flip backwards in the book to figure out what year it was. That's never a good sign.
-As much as I liked Cambridge, I think more time should have been spent (even if it was in flashbacks) fleshing out some of the newer members of the Voyager senior staff. I had forgotten about all of them from the Golden books, except for Dr. Kaz. Plus, some of them materialized in this book, but we never really went anywhere with them. I'm sure that you are probably saving this for the next novel or two, since it doesn't fit well into the narrative. However, you could probably say the same about the brief appearance of Janeway's sister.
Finally, this is a question, rather than a criticism: I understand Tuvok was on Titan most of the time, but why wasn't he mentioned more? I figured we might have a scene where some of the other crewmembers attended his son's funeral or something, since that was a major event for his character.
I think I'm in an extreme minority here in that it took me a few days to read the book, I didn't do it in an afternoon or something.
The books in 2 parts. After I finished the first part I thought if they stopped right here this would be the best Voyager book I've read. Great Klingon story.
The second part worked a little less for me. I kept having to flip through the chapters to read the date headings at the beginning to find out "did this happen before that or the other way around". Then when we got to sub-sections in chapters with more jumping around date wise. I saw Kirsten's comment about this starting out being two books and I totally see that.
That being said it still ended up being the best Voyager book I've read.
There's been talk here about why so many of Goldin's characters were killed but I didn't see mention about why Vorik was transfered off the ship. Why was that? I thought that was a bit odd.
This book ended up with me wanting to read another Voyager book which I don't think has ever happened before.
The books in 2 parts. After I finished the first part I thought if they stopped right here this would be the best Voyager book I've read. Great Klingon story.
The second part worked a little less for me. I kept having to flip through the chapters to read the date headings at the beginning to find out "did this happen before that or the other way around". Then when we got to sub-sections in chapters with more jumping around date wise. I saw Kirsten's comment about this starting out being two books and I totally see that.
That being said it still ended up being the best Voyager book I've read.
There's been talk here about why so many of Goldin's characters were killed but I didn't see mention about why Vorik was transfered off the ship. Why was that? I thought that was a bit odd.
This book ended up with me wanting to read another Voyager book which I don't think has ever happened before.
It happens at the end of the book, where he joins another ship in the fleet that is under the command of a Vulcan Captain.
Esme, Will Lucky, Chelly, LutherSloan, Snaploud and Ronny,
Thanks for your comments and I'm glad that on the whole, the story worked for you.
Luther, your criticisms are certainly valid. As for Tuvok...
You're right. It would have been an interesting scene to see. All I can say is that I was juggling a lot of story at that point and I'm not sure if one more thing would have enhanced it or tipped it over into oblivion. Also bear in mind that Tuvok is getting a lot of play on Titan and was featured quite a bit in the Destiny books...certainly more than our other Voyager characters. He's in good hands and is being well cared for by the other authors.
And Ronny...on the Vorik question...just because he's transferred doesn't mean we've seen the last of him at all. With the new status quo, Voyager is no longer one ship. It's nine. That's a lot more potential story to tell. It's not at all safe to assume that if you're not occupying a senior staff spot on Voyager that you're not going to make meaningful story contributions. It' s just a much bigger playing field now.
And for the folks who really aren't enjoying the story or the new direction..I'm really sorry to hear that.
Best,
Kirsten
Thanks for your comments and I'm glad that on the whole, the story worked for you.
Luther, your criticisms are certainly valid. As for Tuvok...
You're right. It would have been an interesting scene to see. All I can say is that I was juggling a lot of story at that point and I'm not sure if one more thing would have enhanced it or tipped it over into oblivion. Also bear in mind that Tuvok is getting a lot of play on Titan and was featured quite a bit in the Destiny books...certainly more than our other Voyager characters. He's in good hands and is being well cared for by the other authors.
And Ronny...on the Vorik question...just because he's transferred doesn't mean we've seen the last of him at all. With the new status quo, Voyager is no longer one ship. It's nine. That's a lot more potential story to tell. It's not at all safe to assume that if you're not occupying a senior staff spot on Voyager that you're not going to make meaningful story contributions. It' s just a much bigger playing field now.
And for the folks who really aren't enjoying the story or the new direction..I'm really sorry to hear that.
Best,
Kirsten
Kirsten-
I had one other question.
Do you have any plans to show/involve some of the former Equinox crewmembers in the stories? It seems that everyone forgot about them, especially the show's writers in the last 2-3 seasons. There were 5 Equinox survivors (the most notable being Noah Lessing and Marla Gilmore) who were on Voyager when it made it back to Earth.
I had one other question.
Do you have any plans to show/involve some of the former Equinox crewmembers in the stories? It seems that everyone forgot about them, especially the show's writers in the last 2-3 seasons. There were 5 Equinox survivors (the most notable being Noah Lessing and Marla Gilmore) who were on Voyager when it made it back to Earth.
First, you'd have to resolve whether Gilmore is alive or dead. There's a brief mention of her at the welcome home party on Earth in Golden's Homecoming, but subsequently a short story in Distant Shores had her die while still in the Delta Quadrant. I don't know which version one would want to prioritize.
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
^Re: the Equinox folks, I have not, nor would I at this point, but it may not be up to me after Unworthy, so again, anything is possible. Personally, I think it was wrong, but not at all unusual, that we never heard from them again on the tv show. Clearly they can't become part of the regular crew but I don't think a recurring guest star stint, particularly for characters like Lessing and especially Gilmore would have been out of place.
Given that we never got to see them ever again, I would imagine that every single one of them would have requested a transfer immediately upon their return to the Alpha Quadrant and would no longer be associated with Voyager.
And FWIW I would go with Ilsa's take on Gilmore. I liked that story and would prioritize it over other mentions.
Best,
Kirsten
Given that we never got to see them ever again, I would imagine that every single one of them would have requested a transfer immediately upon their return to the Alpha Quadrant and would no longer be associated with Voyager.
And FWIW I would go with Ilsa's take on Gilmore. I liked that story and would prioritize it over other mentions.
Best,
Kirsten
