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Well that was intense. Jack coming back wasn't a huge surprise because it'd been postulated, but had no idea Jo Martin was the Doctor. They threw a lot of stuff at that episode, I'm amazed it hung together as well as it did to be honest. Space rhinos, Jack, alternate/past Doctor...phew...

A few points.

1. Jack was great but an odd kinda cameo really, just showing up to warn the companions. Don't get me wrong, I loved it, but it felt clunky and tagged on.

2.The Judoon killing spree felt oddly flat and needless

3. Loved the Lee dossier that cafe man created, and love that he had a backstory, kinda sorry the Judoon killed him.

4. Once again Jodie shines when the companions aren't around. I love her. I love them. I just don't think they can continue to coexist :(

5. Yaz almost gets a moment to shine. I'm a copper, they're coppers, but it goes nowhere.

6. Tension between the Doctor and companions. Yaz's "Don't talk to him like that." was interesting.

7. I guessed what JoDoc/RuthDoc? had done with the rifle. Not that out of character for the Doctor to do something like that, and she did give Gat a chance?

8. I'm with @Lonemagpie if they're giving us a pre Hartnell cycle for story purposes, great, if it's just an FU to the haters then I hope Jo's an alternate/fake/future Doctor.

9. Didn't the Doctor say there weren't Timelords in Pete's world/any alternate worlds?

10. Jo Martin was very good. Wonder if the R necklace was an intentional bluff (I kept thinking Romana, Rani etc)

11. As others have said, why would JoDoc's Tardis be a police box? That might be a contrivance too far to suggest it remembered this from its prior life!



Anyway, very RTD with a splash of Moffat.



I'm wondering. Was S11 bland because of Chibnall and have the BBC now ordered him to up his game, or was S11 bland because of the BBC and has Chibnall now been let off the leash? It still feels a little hollow, flashy twists and guest stars will only cover up so many cracks in the wall, but damn I'd take this Doctor Who over last season's any day!
 
Relayer1 said:
I also consider that the Doctor generated from Tenant's severed hand replaced him, and does have a piece of Tardis coral.
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Speaking of TARDIS coral, I noticed the control panel on Jack's ship looked six-sided immediately, and when we heard his voice, I thought he'd finished building the TARDIS he'd had on his desk in Torchwood.

Starkers said:
7. I guessed what JoDoc/RuthDoc? had done with the rifle. Not that out of character for the Doctor to do something like that, and she did give Gat a chance?
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The Eleventh Doctor did the exact same trick to the wooden Cyberman in "The Time of the Doctor." I think it might've happened another time, too, but I might just be thinking about the gun from the pilot of "Class."
 
I'm trying to think of the perfect eloquent words to sum that up but can't get much past HOLY FUCKBALLS.

If you'd told me halfway through last series stand alone no knowledge required episodes where we'd be halfway through the next series, I'd have laughed in your face.

Christ knows where we go from here but I'm fully engaged for the first time in a long time.
 
Starkers said:
Well that was intense. Jack coming back wasn't a huge surprise because it'd been postulated, but had no idea Jo Martin was the Doctor. They threw a lot of stuff at that episode, I'm amazed it hung together as well as it did to be honest. Space rhinos, Jack, alternate/past Doctor...phew...

A few points.

1. Jack was great but an odd kinda cameo really, just showing up to warn the companions. Don't get me wrong, I loved it, but it felt clunky and tagged on.

2.The Judoon killing spree felt oddly flat and needless

3. Loved the Lee dossier that cafe man created, and love that he had a backstory, kinda sorry the Judoon killed him.

4. Once again Jodie shines when the companions aren't around. I love her. I love them. I just don't think they can continue to coexist :(

5. Yaz almost gets a moment to shine. I'm a copper, they're coppers, but it goes nowhere.

6. Tension between the Doctor and companions. Yaz's "Don't talk to him like that." was interesting.

7. I guessed what JoDoc/RuthDoc? had done with the rifle. Not that out of character for the Doctor to do something like that, and she did give Gat a chance?

8. I'm with @Lonemagpie if they're giving us a pre Hartnell cycle for story purposes, great, if it's just an FU to the haters then I hope Jo's an alternate/fake/future Doctor.

9. Didn't the Doctor say there weren't Timelords in Pete's world/any alternate worlds?

10. Jo Martin was very good. Wonder if the R necklace was an intentional bluff (I kept thinking Romana, Rani etc)

11. As others have said, why would JoDoc's Tardis be a police box? That might be a contrivance too far to suggest it remembered this from its prior life!



Anyway, very RTD with a splash of Moffat.



I'm wondering. Was S11 bland because of Chibnall and have the BBC now ordered him to up his game, or was S11 bland because of the BBC and has Chibnall now been let off the leash? It still feels a little hollow, flashy twists and guest stars will only cover up so many cracks in the wall, but damn I'd take this Doctor Who over last season's any day!
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7. If anything the Doctor being horrified at the backfiring rifle is out of character. Rig the weapon, warn the baddie not to use it, say "You did it to yourself" is pure Doctor.
 
I actually clapped with joy when Jack appeared, its been a long time since the show engaged me like this episode did. It left me with many questions , the main one being if they're making episodes this good who did the quality control on the duffers we have had recently ?
 
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It’s just occurred to me that there was no story as such this episode, nothing resolved as such. Technically also true of Spyfall, and Victory of the Daleks. Hmm.

Also we know of at least one maybe two trans dimensional Doctors. Handy Doc went to Pete’s world, but also Merlin Doc was working in a sideways world, and may or may not have been from it.
There’s also Inferno, but that’s an unknown quantity.

This series is...frustrating. Now I know how people like Chibnall felt in the eighties.
 
I loved the return of Jack, I'm not pleased with what looks like the confirmation of a rumour I don't like.

The Doc being a woman in this regeneration is a good thing if it opens up the character to be anything and anyone. Every regeneration has the potential to be anything. If we're going to go down the road now that the next 12 regenerations of the Doctor MUST be female, then that's not progressive and we've not improved anything, we've just changed something. It's a reboot, not a progression, and if the Doc looses her memories of being a man out of it, it's a hard reboot that leaves the audience knowing more about the Doctor than she does, and that spoils the genius of the character.

Please don't just write us into a different corner.
 
Starkers said:
6. Tension between the Doctor and companions. Yaz's "Don't talk to him like that." was interesting.
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Yeah, that caught me off guard. But in retrospect, I liked it and I hope that develops into something else and not just a one-off.

Starkers said:
I'm wondering. Was S11 bland because of Chibnall and have the BBC now ordered him to up his game, or was S11 bland because of the BBC and has Chibnall now been let off the leash? It still feels a little hollow, flashy twists and guest stars will only cover up so many cracks in the wall, but damn I'd take this Doctor Who over last season's any day!
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I maintain that Chibnall genuinely wanted to work with a clean slate in the first season before expanding to known characters and monsters, like he said in interviews before series 11. I still disagree that series 11 was hollow or weak as I largely enjoyed/loved most of the episodes.
 
David cgc said:
Speaking of TARDIS coral, I noticed the control panel on Jack's ship looked six-sided immediately, and when we heard his voice, I thought he'd finished building the TARDIS he'd had on his desk in Torchwood.
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Me too.

Just had a thought - could RuthDoc be Jenny regenerated ? Same basic DNA...
 
Irvy said:
It's a reboot, not a progression, and if the Doc looses her memories of being a man out of it, it's a hard reboot that leaves the audience knowing more about the Doctor than she does, and that spoils the genius of the character.
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Why would the Doctor forget being a man?
 
Normal episode, sure, OK clearly the woman was the fugitive and didn't know it, where's Graham gone

Then the voice -- no, can't be. It Is! ok massive surprise, episode not to forget, ok lets see the rest of the episode

Then after that everything just goes crazy.
 
I had no idea about Jack until I saw a YT reaction video.

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