Spoilers Fugitive of the Judoon grade and discussion thread
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Like Martha and the 10th Doctor, to protect Ruth in her new identity and to be able to lead her to the truth when the time came.
Yes, but Martha didn't need Arching to do that, she just had to stay human. Lee likely wasn't (see his dismissive "humans!" in the cake shop) so he was shielded somehow... which means the Arch could change the Doctor without removing their memories. Either Lee was an "ordinary" Gallifreyan and thus his memories can be contained in a human noggin, or partial deletion of memories is possible but the Doctor just can't risk that because even a partial Doctor is likely to get into shenanigans and draw attention?
Was Lee arched?
Wasn't there a mention of a DNA filter or something for Lee and the Doctor (Jodie) couldn't crack it?
It shouldn't have been there. That's why Barbara and Ian are bewildered by its presence in "An Unearthly Child".
Real ones were usually demolished as they weren't easily movable. As despite what the 2005-onward show loves to claim the police boxes that the Doctor's TARDIS are based off of, MacKenzie Trench MKII, were concrete not wood. The only wooden bits on them were the door and the desk inside.
I just checked. When The Thirteenth Doctor scanned both Lee and The Ruth Doctor early on, she only remarked in surprise that they were both human. Later on, after the attack on the Judoon in the church, The Thirteenth Doctor said that she didn't have the decryption for The Ruth Doctor's bio-shield when she rescanned her. However, she then theorized that both The Ruth Doctor and Lee both had the bio-shield.
I saw or heard or read a story where it claimed that the TARDIS weighs the same as a galaxy. The Doctor was using that unexpected weight as a weapon, which is some thing they should do more of if a TARDIS can pull plantets out of orbit by unbuckling its belt by a few notches.
The point is that the seeming weight of the TARDIS is an artifical trick that it chooses to express, rather than anything close to what is really going on.
Either there's an engine working on overdrive to stop the mantel Britain is sitting on from caving in, or all that weight is tucked away into a dimension that barely touches n space.
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But with Martha it made sense. We don't know the specifics of Ruth and Lee's reasoning.
10 wasn't protecting himself, he was protecting his persecutors from a solid whupping.
The Master/Yana coming out of it, while having no companion to care for him, seemed similar to Ruth comng down.
The Master/Yana coming out of it, while having no companion to care for him, seemed similar to Ruth comng down.
Husband was the cover identity, there was no indication he was actually her partner prior to the Arch. Remember how distant Ten was from Joan once his "John Smith" persona was removed? Any feelings she had for Lee as Ruth would've just been like watching someone else's memories on an old slide projector for the Doctor. Now what their relationship was beforehand is unknown - he's willing to take a lot of risks for her, but then a lot of people who know the Doctor do that and sometimes s/he doesn't even know their names (think Lorna Bucket in A Good Man Goes To War).
well, yeah we don’t know Ruth and Lee’s reasoning. But my assumption makes sense to me. What was going on with Lee, even by the end, didn’t stick out as not making sense to me.
It seems to be from the episode Flatline where the Doctor says, the true weight of the TARDIS would crack Earth’s crust.
I'm a bit late to the party, I caught up with the last two episodes yesterday as I'd been away on holiday.
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The news sites that I follow generally don't cover Doctor Who. (They're usually either limited to politics or theatrical movies. TV hardly ever gets mentioned unless it's DC, Marvel, Star Trek, or Star Wars.) However, I follow a bunch of YouTube channels that do cover Doctor Who. Thankfully, Council of Geeks had the courtesy to wait a week before putting spoilers in the thumbnail. (Which was not something he did for the Master's return.
) But ClownfishTV did something like 3 videos, each with more spoilery thumbnails than the last. And they kept showing up in my feed even though I wasn't clicking on them.Sometimes I have no idea why YouTube's algorithms put things where they do. Several years ago, I was watching a bunch of Lost Girl fan-made music videos. The suggested videos were also a bunch of Lost Girl videos except for one in the middle that had Sybil's death scene from Downton Abbey in it, even though this was months before the episode aired in the U.S. And can someone please tell me what Downton Abbey has to do with Lost Girl, like, AT ALL!?!?!?!!!
A lying journalist?! Heaven forfend!
That actually makes some sense. Perhaps, in between "Face the Raven" & "Heaven Sent," the Doctor's teleport beam was split in 2, with one being taken by some rogue group of Time Lords that Gat works for and the other being sent into the Confession Dial just as we saw.
Given that Gat seemed so shocked about there being another Doctor at all, I think it's very likely that this is an alternate Doctor, that the Time Lords did something very bad to the timeline, and that this is why the Master was so mad that he wiped them all out.
I've also had a pet theory for a while that there's another Doctor out there-- the Matt Smith one that went through the crack to seal up the hole in the universe in "The Big Bang." The one that we've been following ever since is a copy extrapolated from Amy's memories and other information gleaned from the TARDIS & the Pandorica. I don't think that Ruth is this Doctor but it's worth examining various possibilities.
I also just remembered that the Time Lords already have the capability to remotely alter the Doctor's memories. Remember, when Pertwee was exiled to Earth, they not only hobbled the dematerialization circuit on the TARDIS but also removed the Doctor's knowledge of how to fix it. Once they ended his exile in "The Three Doctors," he said that the knowledge was all coming back to him. That actually has some pretty sinister implications.
As for Lee, while he apparently wasn't human, we don't know that he was Gallifreyan. We just know that he had the same training as Gat. We also know that you don't necessarily have to be Gallifreyan to be hanging around on Gallifrey. SEE Leela.