Yes I think Gat was working for the Celestial Investigation Agency
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Yes I think Gat was working for the Celestial Investigation Agency
Another surprisingly good episode. Really liked it. I doubt this is the last we'll see of Jack Harkness, I bet he'll be back for the series finale (if not, it sucks he won't be in it). It was a really good mystery story, and the "secret" incarnation of the Doctor is something I wish they'd done with John Hurt's War Doctor - the revelation of a Doctor who fought in the Time War but which the Ninth Doctor onwards DIDN'T remember. This is what I wanted! But alas, we have this, and this is good enough.
Question now remains, where is she from? I really, really hope she's not pre-Hartnell, for obvious reasons. And with the allusions to CIA and the Ruth Doctor using the chameleon arch to hide her identity, I reckon she might be the Doctor after the Second Doctor? Before the Third? We never saw the Second Doctor change his face into the Third, after all.
Question now remains, where is she from? I really, really hope she's not pre-Hartnell, for obvious reasons. And with the allusions to CIA and the Ruth Doctor using the chameleon arch to hide her identity, I reckon she might be the Doctor after the Second Doctor? Before the Third? We never saw the Second Doctor change his face into the Third, after all.
I also want to point that this is the closest Jodie has felt to me like she's been the Doctor yet. She's getting there...
Presumably a form of Gallifreyan headwear. Actually, I thought it sort of bore resemblance to the Chancellery Guard helmets from the classic era.
It's part of a wave of novelizations being released, which also includes reprints of The Pirate Planet, Resurrection of the Daleks, and Revelation of the Daleks. There's also new novelizations of the episodes Dalek, The Crimson Horror, and The Witchfinders in this batch.
Was going to say the same.
Picked up something in the repeat I missed first time around.
As Gatt disintegrates Lee, she calls him "faithful companion". Was he doing for Ruth what Martha did for John Smith? Sure seems like it.
Also the Dec 1999 date is important. I was trying to figure out if her age, 44, was important too, early 1976.
Even if her age ends up not being important per se, the fact that it was her birthday was ironic, since he was effectively reborn on this day.
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If it’s the Celestial Intervention Agency then this would indeed suggest that Gat and Ruth are from between the Troughton and Pertwee eras. (C/f Season 6b.)
If the Agency wants plausible deniability then it will take a very dim view of the Doctor going AWOL. But over the years he became something of a big cheese to the Time Lords, becoming President of the High Council in The Deadly Assassin for the first of at least three times. Gat would probably have been under orders at that stage to take the Doctor alive and not murder any companions.
So, between Troughton and Pertwee makes the most sense to me. The screwdriver thing could be a red herring; maybe her memory isn’t fully restored yet, or maybe she doesn’t recognise it as a descendant of her relatively simple and recent invention.
Or... she is both post- and pre-Hartnell. The agency tracked him down, cajoled him into working for them, he regenerated at least once and was later changed back to Hartnell with a restored regen limit.
Dalek too? Love that episode.
The Doctor's alien. They should react in ways not always like a human to some situations. Or I'm one of some of the some that find Hartnell, Pertwee, Colin, Eccleston, Tennant from select episodes like "Waters of Mars", et al, to be the more interesting because they're not all touchy feely puke-inducing smurfy. Tom Baker still embodied the best of all worlds... every incarnation since then I'll concede has had previous Doctor traits thrown in (6th and 9th = Hartnell augmented, 7 = Troughton augmented, 10th = T Baker modified, etc, etc... )
Or it's the Master or Rani incognito; "Time and the Rani" has the 7th Doctor citing he's the same age as the Rani. Either such a reference has zero point or it's significant. I like the fanon the latter and they're fraternal twins - which could make DNA scans very similar... which still doesn't fully add up and is sloppy thinking on my part...
Oddly, I didn't register any of the darker side of 10/11 mannerisms. Hmmm, this may be for me why others like Jodie!Doctor's softer "friendly with my fam" side. Am doing a rewatch in a few days to see what floats and what sinks... Spyfall was surprisingly generic, but made more than competently well.
I'm not familiar with them - which probably helps, given Chibnall is claimed to take significant influence from other movie and TV show characters.
Unless she's revealed to be fake by the end of the series, yes.
I'm not familiar with them - which probably helps, given Chibnall is claimed to take significant influence from other movie and TV show characters.
An ethical disagreement (do the ends justify the means?) leads to a bad ass honking space brawl between two nearly identical groups of "heroes" on the same side, lost to the same situation, struck by the same bad circumstances.
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Fugitive of the Judoon
The fifth episode of Series 12. Certainly an interesting episode. Some developments that are certainly controversial, but more on that below. The Judoon isolate Gloucester, England (as there are other Gloucester's named after it) in their search for a fugitive. In the TARDIS, the 'fam' have noticed that the Doctor has been more moody, have been leaving them behind occasionally. (Occasional trips to Gallifrey. For what reason? Other than to mope in the ruins?) This scene was done well.
In Gloucester, we are introduced to travel agent Ruth, and her husband Lee, who's lives are turned upside down by the arrival of the Judoon. (Of course, it seems that a lot of others lives are also turned upside down, but this is the couple we focus on.) There is also a baker, who likes Ruth, but despises Lee. Not sure to what to make of character, even if the Judoon commander disintegrates him. But there is more to both of them than meets the eye. Especially when it comes to Ruth, but more on that below.
However, there is something else going on. Captain Jack Harkness is back, with a warning for the Doctor. A very effective appearance. That he would confuse Graham for the Doctor is believable. His reaction to learning that the Doctor is now female was about what I expected. Him confusing Yas for the Doctor was also believable. But, his warning. The Lone Cyberman. That is certainly leading somewhere. And what has to do with the Timeless Child and the below revelation, I'm not sure...
Lee is taken out by the Judoon, but not before sending Ruth a cryptic message: 'Go into the light and break the glass.' The Doctor takes Ruth to her former home at a lighthouse. Ruth turns out to be a Time Lord! This whole sequence was done very well. Appropriately tense. However, the Doctor digs up Ruth's parents' grave, and discovers, a Police Box? Ruth then comes up and introduces herself as, the Doctor! Like, huh? How does that work? And a past Doctor, as Gallifrey still exists for her...
Certainly the Doctor, the one we're familiar with, is confused. Her confusion was very well done. And her realisation, that with the Timeless Child, Jack and the other Doctor, that Time is swirling around her was done quite well also. 9.2/10.
The fifth episode of Series 12. Certainly an interesting episode. Some developments that are certainly controversial, but more on that below. The Judoon isolate Gloucester, England (as there are other Gloucester's named after it) in their search for a fugitive. In the TARDIS, the 'fam' have noticed that the Doctor has been more moody, have been leaving them behind occasionally. (Occasional trips to Gallifrey. For what reason? Other than to mope in the ruins?) This scene was done well.
In Gloucester, we are introduced to travel agent Ruth, and her husband Lee, who's lives are turned upside down by the arrival of the Judoon. (Of course, it seems that a lot of others lives are also turned upside down, but this is the couple we focus on.) There is also a baker, who likes Ruth, but despises Lee. Not sure to what to make of character, even if the Judoon commander disintegrates him. But there is more to both of them than meets the eye. Especially when it comes to Ruth, but more on that below.
However, there is something else going on. Captain Jack Harkness is back, with a warning for the Doctor. A very effective appearance. That he would confuse Graham for the Doctor is believable. His reaction to learning that the Doctor is now female was about what I expected. Him confusing Yas for the Doctor was also believable. But, his warning. The Lone Cyberman. That is certainly leading somewhere. And what has to do with the Timeless Child and the below revelation, I'm not sure...
Lee is taken out by the Judoon, but not before sending Ruth a cryptic message: 'Go into the light and break the glass.' The Doctor takes Ruth to her former home at a lighthouse. Ruth turns out to be a Time Lord! This whole sequence was done very well. Appropriately tense. However, the Doctor digs up Ruth's parents' grave, and discovers, a Police Box? Ruth then comes up and introduces herself as, the Doctor! Like, huh? How does that work? And a past Doctor, as Gallifrey still exists for her...
Certainly the Doctor, the one we're familiar with, is confused. Her confusion was very well done. And her realisation, that with the Timeless Child, Jack and the other Doctor, that Time is swirling around her was done quite well also. 9.2/10.
Since the Doctor is also searching for the Master, maybe she thinks there's a possibility the Master might return to Gallifrey for some reason? Barring that, the Doctor's frequent trips to Gallifrey could be to search for any clues that could shed light on the horrifying secret of the Timeless Child that made the Master go ahead and waste Gallifrey. Or she could be searching for any paintings that maybe some Time Lords transferred themselves into as a means of escape/survival.
Gallifrey can't be totally wasted - might be visual records or such she could piece together to see his rampage and figure out why he did it or where he was when he got triggered.
Just rewatched this, and I remain impressed by how well they kept their secrets, and how cleverly they played us.
Every piece of information released focused on the Judoon - they're in the ep title, in the trailers, in the first promo shot released, even stomping through Victoria Station. All so that everyone would be focused on and excited about this returning monster and be totally blindsided by the Master, Captain Jack and an alternate Doctor. Well played.
Of course it's not the first time – the promotional materials focused on the Cybermen at the end of season 8 so that Missy would be a surprise, and then focused on Missy's return for the beginning of season 9 so that Davros would be a surprise. And we just keep falling for it!
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Every piece of information released focused on the Judoon - they're in the ep title, in the trailers, in the first promo shot released, even stomping through Victoria Station. All so that everyone would be focused on and excited about this returning monster and be totally blindsided by the Master, Captain Jack and an alternate Doctor. Well played.
Of course it's not the first time – the promotional materials focused on the Cybermen at the end of season 8 so that Missy would be a surprise, and then focused on Missy's return for the beginning of season 9 so that Davros would be a surprise. And we just keep falling for it!
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I also suggested the 6B theory for Ruth. But if the CIA can wipe the Doc's mind after using him/her for missions between 2 and 3, they could also wipe his/her mind after a full set of incarnations pre-Hartnell.
The TARDIS exists across all time and space, so getting stuck as a police box twice is really up to her.
Doctor Ruth and Gatt being from a Gallifrey that exists must mean past vs future when it comes to Jodie.
Ruth Speculation
It wouldn't make sense that she would be Pre-Hartnell (given the TARDIS is already stuck as a police box). So that leaves.
A) Season 6B. Between Troughton and Pertwee. The CIA grabs him, and he works for them for a while, through at least two regenerations. (With the CIA adding extra lives, and removing the memories.)
B) Future Doctor. She has forgotten about the Whittaker incarnation and the sonic similarly to how the Capaldi incarnation forgot about Clara. (And Gallifrey is restored at some point.)
C) Alternate Doctor. Not likely.
D) Infostamped Time Lord who thinks she's the Doctor.
It wouldn't make sense that she would be Pre-Hartnell (given the TARDIS is already stuck as a police box). So that leaves.
A) Season 6B. Between Troughton and Pertwee. The CIA grabs him, and he works for them for a while, through at least two regenerations. (With the CIA adding extra lives, and removing the memories.)
B) Future Doctor. She has forgotten about the Whittaker incarnation and the sonic similarly to how the Capaldi incarnation forgot about Clara. (And Gallifrey is restored at some point.)
C) Alternate Doctor. Not likely.
D) Infostamped Time Lord who thinks she's the Doctor.