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^ Says you. No reason for you to be obnoxious about it. I'm just taking it with a grain of salt. And, I've admitted that I'm grasping at straws because I don't like the idea. So, knock off the shitty attitude about it, ok?

You still haven't said why tight lipped Chibnall would go to the Mirror, and only the Mirror, to supposedly set the record straight. That doesn't seem odd to you? :wtf:

The Mirror article also quoted Chibnall as saying Jack won't be back this season even though the season finale director had directed Barrowman's scenes. I suppose it's possible that Jack won't be back, but that would be weird. Why bring him back to *not* meet the Doctor?! And, Barrowman was in Cardiff for long enough to have his apartment renovated. Seems like he was there for more than just a few scenes.

There is an air of strangeness around the Mirror report. We'll have to see what pans out. Until we do, I remain hopeful.
 
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^ Says you. No reason for you to be obnoxious about it. I'm just taking it with a grain of salt.

You understand you are calling a real person[ the journalist who wrote it ] a liar?

she tweets under @mirrormeths - why don't you tweet her and put this to her and see what she says.
 
You understand you are calling a real person[ the journalist who wrote it ] a liar?

she tweets under @mirrormeths - why don't you tweet her and put this to her and see what she says.
I'm raising legitimate questions about an article that appears in a tabloid. Nothing wrong with that. In fact, quite the opposite.

I'd urge you to beef up your critical thinking skills and ability to question things that you read rather than taking everything at face value. There are valid reasons to question aspects of the article. You seem unwilling or unable to consider them.
BTW, I've got this land that's a great deal, but you'll need to act fast! :guffaw:
 
You understand you are calling a real person[ the journalist who wrote it ] a liar?

she tweets under @mirrormeths - why don't you tweet her and put this to her and see what she says.

To be fair, if she hasn’t already been called a liar, propagandist, member of the MSM etc. on twitter at least once a day, she must be the only journalist who hasn’t.
 
There are valid reasons to question aspects of the article.

Feel free to provide some then. Simply saying "It's a tabloid" means nothing, unless you think that every story in every issue is fake. Though a quick look at IPSO and the Press Complaints Commissions websites doesn't bring up a single upheld judgement against it for false reporting since 2014. The complaint in that case; a neo-Nazi organisation that didn't like their description of its Facebook page.
 
Quite a good episode.

Since the top post as "SPOILER" flagged, the rest of this post contains big spoilers. No worries, if you have a phone with a newsfeed you probably saw all of the following and gobs more long before seeing the actual episode. :guffaw::guffaw::guffaw:




I thought the Doctor would have been the fugitive. But I didn't guess the Chameleon Arch and a different incarnation.

The Judoon were used reasonably well.

Maybe the new Doctor will retcon 2017 to where Jo is the real Doctor instead of Jodie. Jo did so much better as Ruth and the Doctor (Doctor Ruth*??) in one scene-- She is fricking awesome, and it's a nice touch by Chibnall** and who might be a ghost writer (2nd time this season people have postulated that) that she doesn't recognize the sonic screwdriver magic wand crutch and calls the TARDIS "ship". If she is pre-Hartnell, there's a new set of incarnations granted to her to become Hartnell for a new regeneration run, but the TARDIS didn't get stuck in its police box form until after "An Unearthly Child" pt 1.))

Okay, the teleporter device is a bit new but I'll roll with it. The scene that follows is utterly fab. Especially outing the magic wand garbage, of which the Doctor has a field day ridiculing and with a more natural sense of humor than the lame attempts to borrow Tennant and Smith jokes.

The Doctor's TARDIS is in the vibe of the real Doctor Who era (1963-89) but with modernizations that simply look cool.

And Dr Jo tells Dr Jodie not to talk, and has such screen presence.... actually, both of them have some great screen chemistry together. But Jo won me over in under one minute where Jodie, due to hideous scripts, needed a full year.

But why does nobody stop the Doctor Jodie when she reaches into her coat to get what could have been a weapon? (Great speech about Gallifrey being destroyed twice BTW...)

Of, Jodie Doctor forgot that Davison Doctor, Tom Baker Doctor, Colin Baker Doctor, and lots of other incarnations of Doctor used guns. Oops. Unless she's been the fake all along... so, yeah, Chibnall probably did write that bit.

A shame the companions were all somewhat sidelined but it was worth it.

* sorry for a low-hanging gag, but given Captain Jack (and an breaking introduction that narrowly avoids breaking the fourth wall) is there for audience scooping fodder (in case people didn't care for the other Doctor). Barrowman's charisma makes up for some somewhat generic dialogue anyone could have done but they really had to redo the assumption (and token one-sided tonguewrestle) that the Doctor is seen as male. It worked the first time but Jack of all people is far less likely to know, so I don't buy it. Ryan's right, he's cheesy but he is largely fun too. I still prefer and relate to Ryan more as a character though. And did they bring back Murray Gold for Jack's return and kissyfest moment? At least the Doctor wasn't there, the mistaken identity moment could have been far worse,

The Doctor explained regeneration in TWWFTE yet Yaz asks how Ruth could be the same person. But there's a nice setup in all this as to who is manipulating the Doctor (the Master, in some form somehow.)

And, yeah, the same episode foreshadows at least one companion leaving at the end of the year. A shame, the trio has grown on me considerably. Would love to see them interact with Jo far more.

Great setup/lead-in for next week's episode too. I just hope the arc and its denouement doesn't shatter.

** I believe him when he said he interviewed a bunch of people and she had the best talent for what he wanted in this incarnation
 
Odd that some feel a touch of confidence and more than a dollop of condescension maketh a good Doctor. Whilst the Doctor CAN show those traits, it's not usually considered the best thing about them. Ruth!Doc had more than a hint of Ten and Eleven right before their companions reminded them they were better than that. Except her companion was a "look down on the little guys" prick too.

If Ruth showed any Doctorly traits, it's before Lee's text.

13 caught a bit of it at the start and end of the ep, with her annoyance with the fam, but her actions throughout the rest of the ep were in stark contrast to Ruth!Doc. And her smile when the fam tell her they support her says it all - it's humans that define the Doctor. Trust.
 
Feel free to provide some then. Simply saying "It's a tabloid" means nothing.
I did list several specific points just a handful of posts prior to yours in this thread. You'll need to look it up. I'm not retyping them just because you weren't paying attention.
 
So, how much of a paradox is this episode?
It’s hard to see how this story would have ended without 13 being there.
Would the Judoon have blown up Ruth and Companion?
That would have been it for the Doctor, right?
Human form, no regeneration.
Or Gat would have seen to her irreversible death.
 
One of the weirdest things I have read online on DW forums is that maybe more then one Doctor got out the confession dial and that the other one became Ruth Doctor and found a TARDIS.
 
One of the weirdest things I have read online on DW forums is that maybe more then one Doctor got out the confession dial and that the other one became Ruth Doctor and found a TARDIS.

That would work and be very interesting. Although...didn’t that Doctor need to die before a new one started again? And isn’t the punch through the only spot that will work?

I can think of ways of making it work, but frankly, not a one would stop me being pissed off wth the first BAME Doctor being an also-Doctor introduced as a gimmick. And I was a bit annoyed at The Next Doctor until it was clear very quickly that they weren’t doing an overlap episode.

Having seen the publicity shots, the costume looks better. What the hell is up with the grading and sharpness this year? Honestly, there are video games where I see more detail.
 
That would work and be very interesting. Although...didn’t that Doctor need to die before a new one started again? And isn’t the punch through the only spot that will work?


It's a weird idea in general. How exactly would it work when the Doctor had to burn himself up to make the next copy?

Gat was cool but then she dies and we learn next to nothing about her. What was that weird yet cool helmet thing she had on her head over her hair?
 
It's a weird idea in general. How exactly would it work when the Doctor had to burn himself up to make the next copy?

Gat was cool but then she dies and we learn next to nothing about her. What was that weird yet cool helmet thing she had on her head over her hair?

I think I am at ‘parallel Doctor from temporal split is cool, replacement of existing history, not cool’ even if confession dial makes no sense. As to Gat...well, CIA seems obvious, instant death seems not.
 
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