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I'd much rather have this than the other speculation I'm seeing, that Ruth fits in between 2 and 3 somehow.
That really doesn't make sense since if Ruth were between the Second and Third Doctors, she'd know what a sonic screwdriver is.
And also it's like...after a certain point, why even bother with the numbers? I know it sounds super nitpicky, but if part of our understanding of this character is how the different versions of him/her flow into each other, the more shocking unknowns get stuffed between the gaps, the more I feel like it undermines some aspect of what it means for the Doctor to even be "Ten" or "Eleven."
The sad irony is that prior to Moffat taking over, the numbers weren't even acknowledged in-universe, they were mostly just a thing among fans and BBC's marketing folks. Then Moffat went out of his way to establish in Matt Smith's run that's he's the Eleventh Doctor in episode titles, various easter eggs on screen in episodes, dialogue even setting up a story arc about the Doctor's fate calling it the "fall of the Eleventh." And then he at the end of Smith's run a mysterious forgotten Doctor gets introduced, and the regeneration count gets further fudged with a last minute decision that Tennant's hand job regeneration does indeed count.
 
^ There were also instances where One said he was the original in both the classic and new series. Mofftat also established a rationale for why Smith needed a new cycle to be able to regenerate into Capaldi. RTD established Eccleston as 9. In the Five Doctors, the Time Lords themselves scooped up all the Doctors at that point.
 
There were also instances where One said he was the original in both the classic and new series.
That "I'm the Doctor, the original" line is itself ironic given it was never spoken by Hartnell but rather by two guys impersonating him.
Mofftat also established a rationale for why Smith needed a new cycle to be able to regenerate into Capaldi.
The whole thing was an after the fact retcon. Originally, there was supposed to be something on Trenzalore established by the Time Lords that prevented regeneration that would be undone by the end of the episode thus allowing the Doctor to finally regenerate after having aged as much as he did. But then like dominoes we had Eccleston refusing to come back for Day of the Doctor, which led to the creation of the War Doctor, and at that point Moffat figured that if Tennant's hand job regeneration were included then the Doctor is now regenerated twelve times, so he decided to use the regeneration limit as the reason the Doctor can't regenerate, since it had canonical precedent.
RTD established Eccleston as 9.
Not exactly. There were easter eggs throughout the season hinting at Eccleston being the Ninth Doctor. When Tree Lady scanned the Doctor, the bio scan showed nine DNA strands, and I suspect that information about the Doctor triggering a Code 9 in Aliens of London was in reference to Eccleston being the Ninth Doctor, but it was never stated definitively in onscreen dialogue that Eccleston was the Ninth Doctor.
 
Doesn't Davison specifically indicate how many regenerations he has left in Mawdryn Undead?

And doesn't Tennant tell Sarah Jane how many regenerations he's had since he last saw her (I appreciate it's a "five or six" type response rather than a specific number but still...)
 
The whole thing was an after the fact retcon. Originally, there was supposed to be something on Trenzalore established by the Time Lords that prevented regeneration that would be undone by the end of the episode thus allowing the Doctor to finally regenerate after having aged as much as he did
Never heard that one before. Where did you read that?
 
Doesn't Davison specifically indicate how many regenerations he has left in Mawdryn Undead?

And doesn't Tennant tell Sarah Jane how many regenerations he's had since he last saw her (I appreciate it's a "five or six" type response rather than a specific number but still...)
In Death of the Doctor (a 2010 The Sarah Jane Adventures serial), the Eleventh Doctor says he can regenerate 507 times.
 
And doesn't Tennant tell Sarah Jane how many regenerations he's had since he last saw her (I appreciate it's a "five or six" type response rather than a specific number but still...)
I think he says he's regenerated half a dozen times, which itself can be open to interpretation. Most likely at the time it was meant say the Doctor has regenerated six times since the Tom Baker days, but now with the War Doctor retcon, we can guess he means when the Fifth Doctor briefly met Sarah Jane in The Five Doctors and the line still works.
Never heard that one before. Where did you read that?
Behind the scenes material related to Time of the Doctor.
 
What if the 13 regeneration limit is not a natural limit but a self-imposed limit by the Time Lords in charge of Gallifrey long ago in order to control other Time Lords like the Doctor? That tracks with the Smith Doctor getting a new set of regenerations from the Time Lords. I could see the Master being pissed about that. Maybe the timeless child refers to the fact that Doctor lived many regenerations prior to the Gallifreyan rulers imposing a 13 regeneration limit and wiping the Doctor's memories to forget it?
 
That really doesn't make sense since if Ruth were between the Second and Third Doctors, she'd know what a sonic screwdriver is.

The sad irony is that prior to Moffat taking over, the numbers weren't even acknowledged in-universe, they were mostly just a thing among fans and BBC's marketing folks. Then Moffat went out of his way to establish in Matt Smith's run that's he's the Eleventh Doctor in episode titles, various easter eggs on screen in episodes, dialogue even setting up a story arc about the Doctor's fate calling it the "fall of the Eleventh." And then he at the end of Smith's run a mysterious forgotten Doctor gets introduced, and the regeneration count gets further fudged with a last minute decision that Tennant's hand job regeneration does indeed count.

Which he did so he could remove the best before date on Doctors. Moffat was all about making sense of what went before, but also setting up the next fifty years. He set up the female Doctor concept as a working possibility in the show. Prior to that there were Time Lords, Time Ladies, and Time Tots. He didn’t have to contradict anything, even when he pulled a Dark Sam and popped Clara into the Doctors Time Stream. He literally left the show a little tidier than it had ever been, but without breaking anything and with plenty of wiggle room for new things.
Credit where it’s due...he knew his stuff.
 
Doesn't Davison specifically indicate how many regenerations he has left in Mawdryn Undead?

And doesn't Tennant tell Sarah Jane how many regenerations he's had since he last saw her (I appreciate it's a "five or six" type response rather than a specific number but still...)

Yup. Helping Mawdryns crew would take all his remaining incarnations, specified by the number of crew.
 
Doesn't Davison specifically indicate how many regenerations he has left in Mawdryn Undead?

And doesn't Tennant tell Sarah Jane how many regenerations he's had since he last saw her (I appreciate it's a "five or six" type response rather than a specific number but still...)
I believe so. It comes up when he's "asked" to use his remaining regenerations to help Mawdryn and his followers. Or, something like that--it's been awhile.
 
The rumour I heard was that there is an entirely female line of Doctor, a full set of 13, and the Hartnell Doc was the first of a new set of regenerations, and forgot all about being female. The rumour suggested that shortly after the Doctor finds this out, she then forgets Hartnell to Capaldi and regenerates thinking that she's The Doctor, The Original, you might say.

I hope this isn't true as it's just lazy writing. Why come up with something new when you can just retcon what's already been done. "Forgotten Doctors", "secret Doctors", etc-- it's all just bad fanfic wankery.

No wonder the ratings continue to plummet...
 
https://www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2020-01-26/john-barrowman-fake-renovation-doctor-who/

Barrowman trying to write off his flat rennovations against tax :D

Accordingly, to maintain the ruse, Barrowman posted regular messages on Instagram and Twitter asking for fans’ opinions on what paint, new countertops or furniture he should be picking up. But after a while, fiction began to become reality as the sheer effort of maintaining his cover story led Barrowman to take drastic action.

“I actually then did have to renovate it,” he laughed. “Because of the fib I was telling I had to really do it, because I had to show it online. So I’m sitting here right now, in the flat in Cardiff. It’s renovated, it’s beautiful, and it was a lie at first.
 
I miss Torchwood though we never got to see Jack get it on with Gwen I was shipping them.

I still think Dr Ruth's Tardis is just a pale imitation of Sexy. It maybe a Tardis but it's not THE Tardis. I also think she's a Doctor from an aborted timeline that never happened due to the actions of the Doctor in a previous adventure she doesn't recall.
 
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